WR Jordy Nelson visiting Seahawks

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Would love to have him - but the Patriots just makes too much sense doesnt it?
 

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I don't want anything to do with Nelson. He is the build we want, but the guy is getting pretty old. He had a decent end to the last season, but right now he is 33 and is two seasons removed from being a top tier receiver. I just am feeling some Brandon Marshall vibes here for a larger cost. Obviously he wasn't injured as much, but he is at the tail end of his career. I'd rather get a rookie wideout and play him as our number three behind Baldwin.
 

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I would much rather take a shot at this kid Jalen Hurd, he is everything measurable wise we want and productive and that's changing positions, seems a bit of a Tate in a faster bigger body with more natural hands.
 

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chris98251":rv12cuie said:
I would much rather take a shot at this kid Jalen Hurd, he is everything measurable wise we want and productive and that's changing positions, seems a bit of a Tate in a faster bigger body with more natural hands.
One of my favorite WR prospects in the draft actually. He is really the type of player that we've been missing in this franchise since the departure of Tate. It might not bear fruit right away, like say a Nelson might -- but it definitely sets the Seahawks up for the long game. I would really like that move.
 

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How about both?

Nelson's addition would allow Brown to be released or traded now w/o the loss of a draft pick to partially offset the cost, and possibly give the addition of a late pick. Nelson certainly would be useful as another mature voice in the receivers room for the other younger players. Price and health are naturally critical to the decision.
 

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Nelson is a great fit, doesn't cost a comp pick, and can be a starter if someone gets injured, very key. Style wise he very good at working with QBs who like to extend plays.


I don't think he will sign here though, unless no one else wants him. New England should be interested for sure, and if I am him I would look to go there. Much better chance to win a Superbowl, and to get way more targets.

Receivers want the ball believe it or not.

I want it to happen for sure though, but not expecting it.
 

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We wanted this guy 2 yrs ago..
I can't really see it like I did then.
 

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jammerhawk":qljpoh1h said:
How about both?

Nelson's addition would allow Brown to be released or traded now w/o the loss of a draft pick to partially offset the cost, and possibly give the addition of a late pick. Nelson certainly would be useful as another mature voice in the receivers room for the other younger players. Price and health are naturally critical to the decision.
I'd rather let the young receiver get reps. A player such as Jalen can be used as a slasher sort of character and have immediate production in YAC, and on things like jet sweeps. He can also be used as a change up in the running game. Very versatile player. Moore also has a nice niche, he's very good at running go routes, and on those long developing plays. He can be used in his specialty -- him and Jalen can share reps, and cover each others blind spots. They're both similar body types, but have different skill sets. We already have two veterans present on this team in Doug Baldwin and Tyler Locket. A player like Nelson takes away from valuable game time, and reps from developing players. If we do have the intentions of drafting a wide receiver, id rather more repetitions for those that are going to advance the team in the long run. I really don't see a Jordy Nelson as a character that is going to put us over the top.
 

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Spin Doctor":237ahtiu said:
jammerhawk":237ahtiu said:
How about both?

Nelson's addition would allow Brown to be released or traded now w/o the loss of a draft pick to partially offset the cost, and possibly give the addition of a late pick. Nelson certainly would be useful as another mature voice in the receivers room for the other younger players. Price and health are naturally critical to the decision.
I'd rather let the young receiver get reps. A player such as Jalen can be used as a slasher sort of character and have immediate production in YAC, and on things like jet sweeps. He can also be used as a change up in the running game. Very versatile player. Moore also has a nice niche, he's very good at running go routes, and on those long developing plays. He can be used in his specialty -- him and Jalen can share reps, and cover each others blind spots. They're both similar body types, but have different skill sets. We already have two veterans present on this team in Doug Baldwin and Tyler Locket. A player like Nelson takes away from valuable game time, and reps from developing players. If we do have the intentions of drafting a wide receiver, id rather more repetitions for those that are going to advance the team in the long run. I really don't see a Jordy Nelson as a character that is going to put us over the top.

Jalen is like 3 inches taller from what I seen and probably 25 to 30 pounds bigger, Moore I think was 6"1 and 212 or so.
 

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I wouldn't be opposed to it. If he came at a fair price + the not costing us a comp pick. Why not? Veteran presence - hard worker and secure hands. Can run the whole route tree and play any of the 3 positions. It would make us quite stronger. We won't need much from him but he could be a excellent 3rd down specialist on those long situations. I'd imagine a Baldwin - Lockett - Nelson trio could cause some damage.
 

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chris98251":1sligbmo said:
Spin Doctor":1sligbmo said:
jammerhawk":1sligbmo said:
How about both?

Nelson's addition would allow Brown to be released or traded now w/o the loss of a draft pick to partially offset the cost, and possibly give the addition of a late pick. Nelson certainly would be useful as another mature voice in the receivers room for the other younger players. Price and health are naturally critical to the decision.
I'd rather let the young receiver get reps. A player such as Jalen can be used as a slasher sort of character and have immediate production in YAC, and on things like jet sweeps. He can also be used as a change up in the running game. Very versatile player. Moore also has a nice niche, he's very good at running go routes, and on those long developing plays. He can be used in his specialty -- him and Jalen can share reps, and cover each others blind spots. They're both similar body types, but have different skill sets. We already have two veterans present on this team in Doug Baldwin and Tyler Locket. A player like Nelson takes away from valuable game time, and reps from developing players. If we do have the intentions of drafting a wide receiver, id rather more repetitions for those that are going to advance the team in the long run. I really don't see a Jordy Nelson as a character that is going to put us over the top.

Jalen is like 3 inches taller from what I seen and probably 25 to 30 pounds bigger, Moore I think was 6"1 and 212 or so.
For some reason I thought Moore was larger. He's around Kearse's size/body type.
 

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Instant upgrade over Moore (who doesn't seem to know how to run anything but a contested sideline route, and disappeared last season) or Brown (who had all of 19 targets last season, although he was productive in the end zone).
 

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Spin Doctor":byumv9k8 said:
chris98251":byumv9k8 said:
Spin Doctor":byumv9k8 said:
jammerhawk":byumv9k8 said:
How about both?

Nelson's addition would allow Brown to be released or traded now w/o the loss of a draft pick to partially offset the cost, and possibly give the addition of a late pick. Nelson certainly would be useful as another mature voice in the receivers room for the other younger players. Price and health are naturally critical to the decision.
I'd rather let the young receiver get reps. A player such as Jalen can be used as a slasher sort of character and have immediate production in YAC, and on things like jet sweeps. He can also be used as a change up in the running game. Very versatile player. Moore also has a nice niche, he's very good at running go routes, and on those long developing plays. He can be used in his specialty -- him and Jalen can share reps, and cover each others blind spots. They're both similar body types, but have different skill sets. We already have two veterans present on this team in Doug Baldwin and Tyler Locket. A player like Nelson takes away from valuable game time, and reps from developing players. If we do have the intentions of drafting a wide receiver, id rather more repetitions for those that are going to advance the team in the long run. I really don't see a Jordy Nelson as a character that is going to put us over the top.

Jalen is like 3 inches taller from what I seen and probably 25 to 30 pounds bigger, Moore I think was 6"1 and 212 or so.
For some reason I thought Moore was larger. He's around Kearse's size/body type.
Moore plays larger, he can get up to a high point well and fight for a contested ball.
 

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chris98251":23gq4jhf said:
I would much rather take a shot at this kid Jalen Hurd, he is everything measurable wise we want and productive and that's changing positions, seems a bit of a Tate in a faster bigger body with more natural hands.

We have a young player to develop, Moore. People say they want to develop young talent but once the game starts, and the season is under way, we expect results.

I include myself among those people by the way. I try not to be a hypocrite. Take our O-line or RBs for example, Ifedi, Pocic, Penny early in the season. All young guys. But that didn't stop the criticism of Russell, Pete, or the offense. It didn't stop people from labeling Penny a bust early in the season. There are people even starting to question Tre Flowers and Shaquill Griffin already, in their 1st and 2nd years respectively. Some people are even saying Shaquem Griffin will never be good


So let's be honest with ourselves. NFL fan culture loves the draft, they love the process of analyzing future prospects and visualizing their success. But more 1st round picks, and NFL players in general flop or remain average more than they wow the league. Tate was called "pedestrian" before he grew, so was Baldwin. With Russ at QB, and Pete as our coach, expectations will be high. People are expecting playoffs. I am not willing to risk that with a WR prospect. Draft him, but sign Jordy and give us a security blanket. If Jalen becomes a stud, then I don't care if we paid Jordy. I'll be more pissed if we don't sign someone like Jordy and our WR # 3 slot is average at best.
 
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I think WR1 through WR4 are positions that the front office is probably higher on than the fans, like safety. Lockett and Baldwin are still producing at high levels, Brown is underrated, and Moore is young and still developing.

If we were to go for a young WR, I'd see it happening more because the team knows Angry Doug is turning into Get Off My Lawn Doug and won't be able to play forever, not because they're dissatisfied with current personnel.
 

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Scorpion05":2963zs5d said:
chris98251":2963zs5d said:
I would much rather take a shot at this kid Jalen Hurd, he is everything measurable wise we want and productive and that's changing positions, seems a bit of a Tate in a faster bigger body with more natural hands.

We have a young player to develop, Moore. People say they want to develop young talent but once the game starts, and the season is under way, we expect results.

I include myself among those people by the way. I try not to be a hypocrite. Take our O-line or RBs for example, Ifedi, Pocic, Penny early in the season. All young guys. But that didn't stop the criticism of Russell, Pete, or the offense. It didn't stop people from labeling Penny a bust early in the season. There are people even starting to question Tre Flowers and Shaquill Griffin already, in their 1st and 2nd years respectively. Some people are even saying Shaquem Griffin will never be good


So let's be honest with ourselves. NFL fan culture loves the draft, they love the process of analyzing future prospects and visualizing their success. But more 1st round picks, and NFL players in general flop or remain average more than they wow the league. Tate was called "pedestrian" before he grew, so was Baldwin. With Russ at QB, and Pete as our coach, expectations will be high. People are expecting playoffs. I am not willing to risk that with a WR prospect. Draft him, but sign Jordy and give us a security blanket. If Jalen becomes a stud, then I don't care if we paid Jordy. I'll be more pissed if we don't sign someone like Jordy and our WR # 3 slot is average at best.

With his potential and rawness now and coming off a injury I think he could be had 4th or 5th round, you can't coach speed and size.
 

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sutz":zuh1djcq said:
I'd rather go younger. I don't see WR as such a mess that we need an "experienced vet" to bring it around. We have plenty of experience. I'd look to the draft for WR help.

I agree, they already have vets in Baldwin & Brown. Plus, Baldwin is our slot receiver, there's literally no need for Nelson. It would just be Brandon Marshall 2.0

If they get a receiver, it should be through the draft. I personally like Keesean Johnson from Fresno State.
 

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12AngryHawks":h3j85d6m said:
sutz":h3j85d6m said:
I'd rather go younger. I don't see WR as such a mess that we need an "experienced vet" to bring it around. We have plenty of experience. I'd look to the draft for WR help.

I agree, they already have vets in Baldwin & Brown. Plus, Baldwin is our slot receiver, there's literally no need for Nelson. It would just be Brandon Marshall 2.0

If they get a receiver, it should be through the draft. I personally like Keesean Johnson from Fresno State.

Nelson is an outside receiver though?

He would play the David Moore spot @ predominately X.
 
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