TJH":3vdbobco said:
volsunghawk":3vdbobco said:
You also really can't just trot out crap like "great pass rushers are usually great right away" when there's ample evidence that many guys who end up with very good career numbers often start out slow.
The guys that start out slow are generally the all-around players because they are asked to do much more. Dedicatied specialist rushers generally have been good from the start. Irvin is about as far away from an all-around player as you possibly could have.
I'm not saying he was terrible, but I do not think he warrants his draft position as of yet and can be a huge vulnerability out there. I just get annoyed with the people who just spout out "OMGERD 8 sacks best of the rookies!!1" like that means anything by itself.
You're making no sense whatsoever. You say the great pass rushers start off fast. OK, we'll look at the list compiled by the other poster, he's comparable to virtually every single big time pass rusher. Only Aldon Smith, Von Miller, and Reggie White had better years. So it defeats your argument.
Futhermore to say "he wasn't worth the pick" is assinine. Who would "you" have picked. The pick is gone in any case, it's completely irrelevant at this point in time because it's now a sunk cost.
The fact is his production ranks him easily within the top 1/3 of the all the first round picks. So how does that make him "unworthy" of the pick?
The only 1st round rookies who were more impactfull were:
Luck, RG3, Doug Martin, Kalil, Harrison Smith, Kuechly, Zeitler, and then you could argue a few others like Trent Richardson, Mark Barron, Tannehill, ect..