Bears offered 3 firsts, a third, and 2 players for RW

[Sports Hernia]

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All 3 of those first rounders would have been in the 20’s. Unacceptable. To get a player of RW’s caliber, at least one of those would’ve had to be a top 5 pick. Impossible to guarantee, thus no deal.


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Yep unless you could swing those 3 first rounders to Houston for Watson?
Maybe Houston wanted a top 10 pick or 2 amongst those first rounders?
Just pure speculation on my part.

Also must remember the value of “3 first rounders” is spread out over 3 years.
If they were all a bit closer to the top 10 and all in this years draft where you could fill holes immediately with quality talent quickly then that changes things.

 

[flv]

And only 30% of the team's cap being taken up by dead money? Why not?

28 draft picks, Wilson is worth 4 full NFL drafts, that would be my starting point.

Why worry about dead money cap percentage? A $15M hit now with a $15M hit next year is only better than $10M now, $10M next year, with $10M in dead money in 2022 if the cap continues to decrease. If/when the cap goes back up the dead money route will clearly be more effective.

 

[chrispy]

Remembering Okung and Thomas as the first JS/PC draft, I think multiple first round picks this year is really where things should start. If they had 3 first rounders this year, even if they're not in the top 10, I think JS parlays that into both quantity and quality.

 

[Elemas]

I’m glad we kept RW. The Bears offer goes to show you what some of the other teams think of Russ. Seattle fans should follow suit.

Unless you’re rebuilding. If that’s the case, you tear it all down. Take the picks. Let KJ, Tyler, DK (when it’s time... he wouldn’t stay with a QB like Darnold or even Carr), whoever else walk. Trade JA. Don’t even approach Dunlap. Trade B-Wagz now...not later. IF...you’re really rebuilding. But, it seems we are not.

Asinine suggestions.

Let’s get it Seahawks!

 

[chris98251]

John and Pete like to trade back to the 20's anyway, not in alignment with you experts, they feel the talent is pretty much the same from like 10 thru the beginning of the third round.

It was a perfect position for how they operate, the one thing not is if higher they could have gained more picks trading bnack.

 

[Kinger95]

The jets have what we want.

Sam darnald, pick number 2 in this draft to take a QB or Penei Sewell . Our pick number 23 back from the Adam’s trade a 3rd rounder this year and 2 future 1sts(with the jets being the jets they might be good picks)

With Russ aging and being notoriously hard to protect because he leaves the pocket it’s a pretty good package

 

[chris98251]

The jets have what we want.

Sam darnald, pick number 2 in this draft to take a QB or Penei Sewell . Our pick number 23 back from the Adam’s trade a 3rd rounder this year and 2 future 1sts(with the jets being the jets they might be good picks)

With Russ aging and being notoriously hard to protect because he leaves the pocket it’s a pretty good package

READING COMPREHENSION AND UNDERSTANDING PLEASE !!!!!

ARE THE JETS ON WILSONS LIST???????

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOT A DEAL UNLESS YOU CAN CONVINCE HIM TO PLAY FOR A LOSING TEAM SINCE THE 1990"S

 

[Maelstrom787]

John and Pete like to trade back to the 20's anyway, not in alignment with you experts, they feel the talent is pretty much the same from like 10 thru the beginning of the third round.

It was a perfect position for how they operate, the one thing not is if higher they could have gained more picks trading bnack.

This isn't true. 3 of the 4 picks they've had before 20 (pick 6, 12, and 14) haven't been traded below pick #15. Only pick they traded into the 20s was from 18 to 27 where they selected Penny.

 

[chris98251]

John and Pete like to trade back to the 20's anyway, not in alignment with you experts, they feel the talent is pretty much the same from like 10 thru the beginning of the third round.

It was a perfect position for how they operate, the one thing not is if higher they could have gained more picks trading bnack.

This isn't true. 3 of the 4 picks they've had before 20 (pick 6, 12, and 14) haven't been traded below pick #15. Only pick they traded into the 20s was from 18 to 27 where they selected Penny.

This is off memory, 6 was the Okung Pick and 14 was the Thomas pick their first year. the other would be Irvin if I remember. They kept the 6 for Okung and 14 for Earl. 12 must have been traded back for Irvin or maybe Carpenter who we ended up with at 25 with Irvin at 15 the next year. The highest we have picked is pick 27 after Irvin was selected.

 

[GaiusMarius]

The jets have what we want.

Sam darnald, pick number 2 in this draft to take a QB or Penei Sewell . Our pick number 23 back from the Adam’s trade a 3rd rounder this year and 2 future 1sts(with the jets being the jets they might be good picks)

With Russ aging and being notoriously hard to protect because he leaves the pocket it’s a pretty good package

READING COMPREHENSION AND UNDERSTANDING PLEASE !!!!!

ARE THE JETS ON WILSONS LIST???????

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOT A DEAL UNLESS YOU CAN CONVINCE HIM TO PLAY FOR A LOSING TEAM SINCE THE 1990"S

Absolutely true. Wilson has his list.

His list did not work out. The Bears came closest and it appears that their offer was underwhelming.

So now what? Many fans are ready to move on, but that is not how this works. There are now 3 scenarios for the coming season.

Wilson can accept his role and that this upcoming season will operate largely like recent ones (big question mark around the running game, but Carroll's first off-season priority was to get back to running the ball more). Pete Carroll is the boss.

OR...

Wilson can open up his trade list to find a better suitor (if any truly exist).

OR...

Wilson and the Seahawks can call a truce, potentially extending Wilson and/or otherwise publicly saying that "all is good".

 

[Sports Hernia]

The jets have what we want.

Sam darnald, pick number 2 in this draft to take a QB or Penei Sewell . Our pick number 23 back from the Adam’s trade a 3rd rounder this year and 2 future 1sts(with the jets being the jets they might be good picks)

With Russ aging and being notoriously hard to protect because he leaves the pocket it’s a pretty good package

Sam Darnold isn’t what we want or the answer.

 

[AgentDib]

This feels like a discussion that was just had recently, but Schneider has talked a few times about the "not quite first round grade" pool.

I'd put it roughly between picks 20-49 depending on the draft. That early-mid second round has been a sweet spot for them despite not originally owning picks there with PRich (#45), Wagner (#47), Blair (#47), Taylor (#48) and Reed (#49).

Conversely, their only pick in the 50s has been for Pocic (#58) and in that case they were reportedly targeting him early on and he was considered a decent value there.

 

[John63]

Find it funny JS goes to North Dakota to secretly meet with the Bears GM, John wants to sleep on it.

Calls up Pete, NOPE, this is the control aspect Pete has over everything.

Thats offense, defense, players, and staff.

Yeah, it sounds like John is more game for the idea, which is the opposite of what I'd have expected since he was reportedly the guy pushing hardest to draft him.

It will be interesting what moves they make in the coming months. Namely, whether they put together any sort of backup plan to stay competitive without Russ.

ahh were did it say something about some supposed secret meeting?

 

[John63]

All 3 of those first rounders would have been in the 20’s. Unacceptable. To get a player of RW’s caliber, at least one of those would’ve had to be a top 5 pick. Impossible to guarantee, thus no deal.


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In caliber do you mean "can't beat the 2-deep safety look"

I would have taken that deal in a heartbeat. But looks like "bounced in the divisional round" for Seattle the next 5 years. Can't wait.

Yeah forget the fact he has shown he can beat it many times. There is a reason Shcotty was let go.

"So no matter the coverage shell, the Seahawks attacked deep. They actually saw more two-high looks in the first half of the season, when they were more successful as a deep passing team, than they saw in the back half of the year.


That’s because two-high really isn’t enough to flummox Wilson—it makes his life less convenient, but for a veteran quarterback, it’s a fly buzzing around his head. The Rams, 49ers, and Washington don’t just sit in plain ol’ Cover 2. They run match zone coverages from two-high shells, and against Seattle, they found success with that."


So not cover 2 but a zone as well which means receivers must get open, and he must have time wow.

FYI

games 1-8 we saw cover 2 21.7% of the time
Games 9-16 we saw cover 2 16.8 % of the time

Hmm

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/seahawks-passing-rushing-offense-russell-wilson-schottenheimer

 

[John63]

What's funny is they made all this effort to have a clandestine meeting in North Dakota during a pandemic, yet it gets out to the media a couple of days later. :lol:

again what proof of this supposed meeting? Okay finally found there was s supposed meeting but it was not the reason Schneider was there, he was in ND for a pro day and the bears GM met him. Does not mean JS was interested or even thinking about it. IT was the Bears GM taking advantage of JS already being there nothing more nothing less.

 

[Maelstrom787]

What's funny is they made all this effort to have a clandestine meeting in North Dakota during a pandemic, yet it gets out to the media a couple of days later. :lol:

again what proof of this supposed meeting? Okay finally found there was s supposed meeting but it was not the reason Schneider was there, he was in ND for a pro day and the bears GM met him. Does not mean JS was interested or even thinking about it. IT was the Bears GM taking advantage of JS already being there nothing more nothing less.

We've got solid sources like Rapoport detailing the meeting already. This "nothing happened" schtick is going a bit too far now, John. Yes, Schneider was there for a pro day regardless, as I've noted. But this isn't a big nothingburger and you shouldn't treat it as such. Yes, Russell is staying, but the trade talks happened, and the prospect of pulling the trigger was at the very least considered by the front office.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I don't think this was just a media fabricated story. Much of what the media said came from Russell Wilson's agent and Wilson himself. They weren't wrong about Carroll/Schneider taking calls either.

At the end of the day I didn't think trading Wilson this season was a reality. What will be interesting is 2022 if the same things play out. I think Wilson is going to go full nuclear next offseason if he doesn't get what he asked for. This season was just the staging.

 

[knownone]

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I'm still not sure what to make of this report. Almost every credible source indicates that a Wilson trade is still a possibility, which makes you wonder what the whole Pete told JS not to trade Wilson rumors were all about. So are we out of the woods? It really sounds like something is going on behind the scenes.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The media seems to almost refuse to admit it's not gonna' happen. It's just odd that they are so hell bent on Russ being traded.

 

[knownone]

The media seems to almost refuse to admit it's not gonna' happen. It's just odd that they are so hell bent on Russ being traded.

To be fair, both Russ and our front office could quell these rumors pretty easily. So, it's not entirely on the media for speculating.