Silence Is Deafening

[Jerhawk]

I completely agree Aros.

He should have kept this in house. Going to the media did nothing but stir up controversy.

Now imagine he stays quiet until mini camp and then training camp. I can just feel the tension in that locker room. Duane Brown will look at him with utter disgust. Damien Lewis will give him the cold shoulder. It'll be cold as ice in there.
They may even intentionally miss a block here and there just to let Russell get hit and self implode.

His mask is finally being lifted, and it's sad. His public persona has evolved into some corporate hot shot, rather than the "Go Hawks" team first winner. It makes my heart sick and sad.

Here's another conspiracy theory I'll throw out there though. What if he suffered a concussion last year, and it wasn't the first of his career? We've seen guys like Antonio Brown just completely change at the snap of a finger as a result of concussions. Could this be another case?
It would explain this shift from team first to "me" first.

 

[Cyrus12]

But has anyone sampled the perfume yet? Valentines is tomorrow.....

 

[hgwellz12]

I feel the same except I think we still have a first class organization and finding a QB that will have success on a team that is a top 5 run game and a top 5 D will be easier than people think.

You are severely out of your gourd on this, We don't have a top 5 run game right now, nor do we have a top 5 defense, we spent the better part of 35 years trying to get a Franchise QB.

You think you can open an App and order any one of these?

Ask the Browns fans, Ask the Lions fans, Ask the Jets Fans, for recent understanding.

Getting all the pieces together to be formidable is skill, luck and then having the Coaching Staff top down that knows how to teach and get the best out of that talent.

If it was so easy how come only the Patriots have in the last 20 years won the most Super Bowls.

Yeah, I'm not really paying much attention to all this Wilson stuff. A lot of the fans are locked into some weird storytelling thing where they have themselves convinced of pretty significant things. They might be partially correct or even pretty right. But it's based around some fantasy of how they know how some things like Carroll doing this or that will fix everything, and now we're at the extreme end of it with Wilson being too "Hollywood" and needing to eject him and/or Carroll.

Wen is saying "easier than people think"; finding a QB that have a multi-year run of not losing you games, much less being a significant reason in winning them is an absurdly low probability. Roughly half of NFL teams don't even have a dude who can pull it off for one year, much less string together 3-5 good seasons.

There are teams that haven't had a good quarterback in the existence of their franchise (example: Jaguars, over a quarter of a century now). There are some that haven't had one since before the Korean War (example: Bears, Sid Luckman).

If people just want to change because they're frustrated with where the team is at, then I guess that's a thing. It's mathematically not a good probability things will go well for many seasons, but some people like to gamble.


If you're just wanting to dump Wilson because he's "too Hollywood" or whatever, I think you're less interested in actual football than you should be.

If people think that dumping Wilson because of cap is a good idea, there's up to a $10 million savings when you get down to veterans who don't suck. That's it. $10 million. And they're not even close to Wilson quality. Ryan Tannehill's 2021 cap hit is $2.5 million less than Wilson.

You can also draft rookie after rookie, but the NFL QB rookie crapshoot is a wild ride that generally ends in disappointment.

The 2017 draft had Mahones and Watson, then a bunch of dudes that aren't working out.

Here's everybody drafted at QB from 2016 to 2013:

Goff
Wentz
Lynch
Hackenberg
Brissett
Kessler
Cook
Prescott
Jones
Hogan
Sudfeld
Rudock
Allen
Driskel
Doughty
Winston
Mariota
Grayson
Mannion
Petty
Hundley
Siemian
Bortles
Manzel
Bridgewater
Carr
Garoppolo
Thomas
Savage
Murray
McCarron
Mettenberger
Fales
Wenning
Boyd
Gilbert
Manuel
Smith
Glennon
Barkley
Nassib
T Wilson
L Jones
Sorensen
Dysert
Daniels
Renfree

That's four drafts. I don't even know if you can argue that there are eight good or better multi-year starters in there, which would be an average of two per year. For 32 teams to draft.

All that^^

This "Russ has gone Hollywood" talk is clown shit. If certain QB's are visibly doing anything but studying game tape, running hills, or practicing their spirals, then, dammit! They must be too worried about making too much money or spending too much time "bEInG a SOcIaL jusTIce WArRioR!" (you know who you are). In other words, "Stay in your place, BOY! Shut up and dribble!". Because God forbid you actually care about the state of the nation you're raising your little brown babies in. I wonder why I never heard a peep out of literally NO ONE when Phillip Rivers was consistently struggling to crack .500...never once did I hear "He's not getting us to the playoffs! He must not get enough sleep, needs to quit adding kids to his tribe!". What's Derek Carr's excuse? Or Matt Ryan? Stafford?

Anyone that thinks it's gonna be no big deal if Russ leaves and we'll still win 10+ games/yr is a fool or lying to themselves.

 

[hgwellz12]

I completely agree Aros.

He should have kept this in house. Going to the media did nothing but stir up controversy.

Now imagine he stays quiet until mini camp and then training camp. I can just feel the tension in that locker room. Duane Brown will look at him with utter disgust. Damien Lewis will give him the cold shoulder. It'll be cold as ice in there.
They may even intentionally miss a block here and there just to let Russell get hit and self implode.

His mask is finally being lifted, and it's sad. His public persona has evolved into some corporate hot shot, rather than the "Go Hawks" team first winner. It makes my heart sick and sad.

Here's another conspiracy theory I'll throw out there though. What if he suffered a concussion last year, and it wasn't the first of his career? We've seen guys like Antonio Brown just completely change at the snap of a finger as a result of concussions. Could this be another case?
It would explain this shift from team first to "me" first.

Who's the other player(s) on the team that say "Go Hawks"?

 

[Appyhawk]

Here we are. In the 'dead zone' on the football calendar. That time of year where there is nothing happening. That time of the football year where those who try to make their living selling what they write have nothing to write about. So what do they do? They create something out of nothing and hope it goes viral.
This time it worked.

 

[nwHawk]

Let me spin this idea, bad teams that draft a QB high often have a lot of problems. From personal, coaching and front office those teams don’t mesh with a common mission statement or ability. Andy Reid has drafted or acquired QB after QB and fit them into his system. Bad culture usual leads to failure. Success is not all about luck.

Everything we hear from veterans coming in about the Seahawks culture, coaches, front office, facilities, staff, etc... is that wow, this place is first class all the way. Pete built that, not Wilson.

 

[Mix]

Lets all get outraged, upset, and emotionally compromised over media created drama.

And we wonder why this is now the norm of "sports journalism", keep giving them clicks, and they will keep feeding your emotions.

 

[James in PA]

Agree, "LEGACY" has become his focus and it's just sad.

The best QB we have ever had, and likely the best we will ever see in ALL of our lifetimes, has gone Hollywood.

Ciara has played a major roll in this, make NO mistake. She's in his ear 24/7 more than any agent or friend.

The Ellen show with the perfume/cologne pimping was my Uh Oh moment.

Just sucks because I honestly feel without Russ, we are back to mediocrity. Hope I am wrong but I doubt it.

Ciara = Yoko Ono


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[Cyrus12]

Agree, "LEGACY" has become his focus and it's just sad.

The best QB we have ever had, and likely the best we will ever see in ALL of our lifetimes, has gone Hollywood.

Ciara has played a major roll in this, make NO mistake. She's in his ear 24/7 more than any agent or friend.

The Ellen show with the perfume/cologne pimping was my Uh Oh moment.

Just sucks because I honestly feel without Russ, we are back to mediocrity. Hope I am wrong but I doubt it.

Ciara = Yoko Ono


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Janet Gretzky for the Canadians that remember

 

[QuahHawk]

I feel the same except I think we still have a first class organization and finding a QB that will have success on a team that is a top 5 run game and a top 5 D will be easier than people think.

You are severely out of your gourd on this, We don't have a top 5 run game right now, nor do we have a top 5 defense, we spent the better part of 35 years trying to get a Franchise QB.

You think you can open an App and order any one of these?

Ask the Browns fans, Ask the Lions fans, Ask the Jets Fans, for recent understanding.

Getting all the pieces together to be formidable is skill, luck and then having the Coaching Staff top down that knows how to teach and get the best out of that talent.

If it was so easy how come only the Patriots have in the last 20 years won the most Super Bowls.

We have seen a few teams successfull make playoffs year after year without top flight QBs but relied on good D and good run games.

SF: Alex Smith, Kap, Jimmy G
Balt: Flacco, Jackson
Cincy: Dalton
LA Rams: Goff

 

[FresnoHawk52]

All these different Russ threads have been mind numbing to say the least. But let's face it, this is the biggest talk of the NFL at the moment and quite frankly it's a topic I NEVER would have thought would be happening coming off of a 12-4 season and division championship in what is widely known as the toughest division in the NFL.

I'm not wanting to get into the Why's and the How's nor the Where Do We Go From Here's. Those have been debated ad nauseum in this forum for weeks and weeks, in many cases by X's and O's minds much better than my own.

No, what I want to talk about is the silence being felt right now by Pete Carroll and the organization in general.

While I understand Russell's frustrations, I, along with most of you, am baffled by the timing, the delivery and the seemingly calculatedness of it all. Just coming off watching him and Ciara's segment on Ellen earlier today where they were pumping up their perfume/cologne brand, their GQ cover spread...I have officially come to the conclusion that Russell Wilson has decided his "legacy", his brand, is more important to him than team.

Not even the GOAT has ANYWHERE NEAR the level of public drive for his brand, like tentacles, breaching multiple media and platforms and product lines.

So that all brings me to my point. The silence from the organization.

I don't get it. This is the time for Pete Carroll to come out, and make a statement to the fans, to the NFL world about how much they value Russell, how they have no plans to trade him AT ALL, etc, etc, etc.

But instead? No rebuttal. No comments.

Silence.

That doesn't just underscore what many have said, which is that the organization is pissed off that Russell has taken to the media to call out his OL and his general lack of appreciation for being one of the most sacked QBs in the NFL for basically all of his career, but more importantly their lack of saying anything to me indicates that we really have come to the end of the Russell Wilson Era in Seattle.

Whether it's a Lame Duck final 2021 season or he gets traded this offseason, I am not sure. But make no mistake about it, we are staring the end of the Golden Years square in the face and I for one am shocked and saddened it's come to this.

I keep saying this CAA is RW & Ciara’s management!!! Every athlete they have signed has suffered the same fate. Once CAA is involved it’s GAME OVER! RW will be lucky if his football career isn’t cut short. CAA will eventually push RW’s agent Mark Rogers out of his life if he doesn’t sign a pact with the Devil. Sinister & Evil = CAA!

 

[FresnoHawk52]

Agree, "LEGACY" has become his focus and it's just sad.

The best QB we have ever had, and likely the best we will ever see in ALL of our lifetimes, has gone Hollywood.

Ciara has played a major roll in this, make NO mistake. She's in his ear 24/7 more than any agent or friend.

The Ellen show with the perfume/cologne pimping was my Uh Oh moment.

Just sucks because I honestly feel without Russ, we are back to mediocrity. Hope I am wrong but I doubt it.

Ciara = Yoko Ono


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Wow so true!

 

[misfit]

Imagine the nerve of a qb that has been sacked more times in 9 seasons that any qb in NFL history to actually say that he doesn't like getting sacked that much.

Like who does he think he is. Cant he just shut up and play football?!?

 

[HawkinNY]

All these different Russ threads have been mind numbing to say the least. But let's face it, this is the biggest talk of the NFL at the moment and quite frankly it's a topic I NEVER would have thought would be happening coming off of a 12-4 season and division championship in what is widely known as the toughest division in the NFL.

I'm not wanting to get into the Why's and the How's nor the Where Do We Go From Here's. Those have been debated ad nauseum in this forum for weeks and weeks, in many cases by X's and O's minds much better than my own.

No, what I want to talk about is the silence being felt right now by Pete Carroll and the organization in general.

While I understand Russell's frustrations, I, along with most of you, am baffled by the timing, the delivery and the seemingly calculatedness of it all. Just coming off watching him and Ciara's segment on Ellen earlier today where they were pumping up their perfume/cologne brand, their GQ cover spread...I have officially come to the conclusion that Russell Wilson has decided his "legacy", his brand, is more important to him than team.

Not even the GOAT has ANYWHERE NEAR the level of public drive for his brand, like tentacles, breaching multiple media and platforms and product lines.

So that all brings me to my point. The silence from the organization.

I don't get it. This is the time for Pete Carroll to come out, and make a statement to the fans, to the NFL world about how much they value Russell, how they have no plans to trade him AT ALL, etc, etc, etc.

But instead? No rebuttal. No comments.

Silence.

That doesn't just underscore what many have said, which is that the organization is pissed off that Russell has taken to the media to call out his OL and his general lack of appreciation for being one of the most sacked QBs in the NFL for basically all of his career, but more importantly their lack of saying anything to me indicates that we really have come to the end of the Russell Wilson Era in Seattle.

Whether it's a Lame Duck final 2021 season or he gets traded this offseason, I am not sure. But make no mistake about it, we are staring the end of the Golden Years square in the face and I for one am shocked and saddened it's come to this.

I lurked on this forum for quite a long time. I'm 47. I've been a fan since inception. Always been more of a "reader" of forums and not interested in posting much until the 2013 run. I have always been a Wilson defender at heart while reading a lot of the negative stuff about his play over the earlier years. As the years have gone by and the offense has the same issues from year to year and coordinator to coordinator, most people have been putting that on Pete. For me it's the other constant through those years, Russell. It still wasn't enough for me to think he wasn't the guy though, Until that word started popping up in every single interview that wasn't a post game reaction type interview. LEGACY.

That one word almost completely turned me 180 degrees on Russell. That frequency of that one word coming out of his mouth combined with me, my, and I. That one word was spawned the "let russ cook" movement started by Team 3 (if that isn't obnoxious enough). The straw that broke this camel's back was the post game presser a few games into his turnover meltdown where he went on and on about how he knows he's GREAT like he was trying to convince himself. As soon as I heard that, I was done with Russell win or lose. The whole saga has been orchestrated with the starting point being the NY rumors like a management agency trying to turn a mediocre actor into a mega-star. Shallow, cheap, and horribly obvious. This public stunt just showed his teammates his other face if they didn't already see it. This also made me revisit the old Sherman and other's view of Russell and say maybe they were onto something.

Not one legit all time QB has openly gone on a legacy campaign prior to having cemented their status as all time great. Hell, I don't think any all time great QB has even discussed it until they're on the cusp of retirement and then only reluctantly brushing it off. Russell has lost the plot. He thinks he's already an all time great QB. I've said it a few times in other threads and other places, but I think the crowning of Mahomes crushed his ego. Mahomes is the only QB younger than Russell to challenge his "place" of taking over the game post Brady/Brees/Rogers/Peyton etc....and he couldn't handle it. The push for stars, the push for throwing more, the push for legacy, all came after Mahomes blew the NFL up his first 2 seasons.

Russell went from winning being the only thing that mattered, to LEGACY being the only thing that matters. Winning is only important now because it's the means to the LEGACY. Once winning gets reduced to only a means to an end, nothing but poor decisions follow. It's also why I think he'll suffer similar results anywhere else he goes.

That's my theory anyway and that's why I would rather they rip the Band-Aid off right now than go through 1 more season lame duck season. He's not signing another contract here, so what's the point.

I agree with this whole post. He’s not signing another contract unless we pay him a crazy amount. Which will cripple the team.


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[nanomoz]

Agree, "LEGACY" has become his focus and it's just sad.

The best QB we have ever had, and likely the best we will ever see in ALL of our lifetimes, has gone Hollywood.

Ciara has played a major roll in this, make NO mistake. She's in his ear 24/7 more than any agent or friend.

The Ellen show with the perfume/cologne pimping was my Uh Oh moment.

Just sucks because I honestly feel without Russ, we are back to mediocrity. Hope I am wrong but I doubt it.

Ciara = Yoko Ono


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I'm going to get hammered for this, but I gotta chirp.

The trope of the toxic, Medea-like woman whispering in her man's ear and nearly controlling his actions is so tired and so toxic--and if it isn't outright sexist, it's only about one diagonal move on the checker board from it.

Russ is a grown-ass man. If you have issues with how he's handling this, your issues are with him. Full-stop.

I get it. We're disappointed in the guy, and it's real convenient to spread the blame around and shift it away from the hero. But this kind of thing is--at best-- fueled by a lot of incredibly problematic bias.

 

[pinksheets]

Agree, "LEGACY" has become his focus and it's just sad.

The best QB we have ever had, and likely the best we will ever see in ALL of our lifetimes, has gone Hollywood.

Ciara has played a major roll in this, make NO mistake. She's in his ear 24/7 more than any agent or friend.

The Ellen show with the perfume/cologne pimping was my Uh Oh moment.

Just sucks because I honestly feel without Russ, we are back to mediocrity. Hope I am wrong but I doubt it.

Ciara = Yoko Ono


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I'm going to get hammered for this, but I gotta chirp.

The trope of the toxic, Medea-like woman whispering in her man's ear and nearly controlling his actions is so tired and so toxic--and if it isn't outright sexist, it's only about one diagonal move on the checker board from it.

Russ is a grown-ass man. If you have issues with how he's handling this, your issues are with him. Full-stop.

I get it. We're disappointed in the guy, and it's real convenient to spread the blame around and shift it away from the hero. But this kind of thing is--at best-- fueled by a lot of incredibly problematic bias.

Great post.

 

[Lawke]

Some pretty wild takes both here and other places such as reddit,twitter etc. Seems like alot of people were just waiting for russ to do something they didnt like to just jump all over him. For the person saying that "Not one legit all time QB has openly gone on a legacy campaign prior to having cemented their status as all time great" can you please explain one all time great John Elway? What do you call refusing to play for a team that can and does draft you because you believe it would affect your ability to be successful? Or Eli manning? Was there some other mysterious reason other than his potential legacy for forcing his way to NY?

We then have another poster listing dozens of QBs drafted from only a few drafts and yet the best response given was around 10% or so those QBs being even serviceable. I get that people feel the need to be overly dramatic in response to all the media making things even more dramatic for clicks and views, but the more i read the more i start to genuinely hope russ ends up with another team so we can see what kind of seahawk football we get that others seem to want. Also, this isnt the first time a QB has publicy gone after his own team mates (Peyton manning and his idiot kicker come to mind) nor is it the first time a QB has talked about legacy (Rodgers has and probably will continue to do so).

IDK, just reading most of the stuff gives off vibes that its more of a russ the person problem rather than russ the player problem. Because football wise once hes gone, can you really say with any confidence that the seahawks will be able to either replace him with a similarly productive QB based on not just seattles previous history of drafting QBs, but the entirety of the NFL in general? Or spending 10-15 million less on a veteran QB will yield superior results based on who they can bring in with that extra money? As someone who enjoys watching the seahawks i hope that they can and do improve post russ (whenever that happens) but looking at the landscape of the NFL, id say chances of that are slim.

 

[bmorepunk]

I feel the same except I think we still have a first class organization and finding a QB that will have success on a team that is a top 5 run game and a top 5 D will be easier than people think.

You are severely out of your gourd on this, We don't have a top 5 run game right now, nor do we have a top 5 defense, we spent the better part of 35 years trying to get a Franchise QB.

You think you can open an App and order any one of these?

Ask the Browns fans, Ask the Lions fans, Ask the Jets Fans, for recent understanding.

Getting all the pieces together to be formidable is skill, luck and then having the Coaching Staff top down that knows how to teach and get the best out of that talent.

If it was so easy how come only the Patriots have in the last 20 years won the most Super Bowls.

We have seen a few teams successfull make playoffs year after year without top flight QBs but relied on good D and good run games.

SF: Alex Smith, Kap, Jimmy G
Balt: Flacco, Jackson
Cincy: Dalton
LA Rams: Goff

"A few teams" does not point to even a reasonable possibility it is going to work out. The Seahawks already consistently make the playoffs.

SF mised the playoffs for five straight years. They've gotten one three since Wilson was drafted. They have two lost Super Bowls to show for it. Smith flagged out, Kaep is one dimensional, and Jimmy G was a big cap hit for a dude as hurt/inconsistent as he's been.

Baltimore won a single playoff game between 2013 and 2018 and missed out on even making it for five seasons.

The Bengals haven't won a playoff game since the George HW Bush Administration. That was 30 years ago.

If the Rams had a consistent QB, they would be destroying everybody all the time. But they have had Goff, a dude who cost under $3 million less than Wilson last year.

The other side of this is that 2017 Jaguars defense was insanely good. But they had Bortles as their QB and it was a death sentence. Otherwise they're a serious Super Bowl contender.

Unless this team gets really looking, post-Wilson is going to likely be crappy at QB. We'll likely get what most teams in the NFL have: a yearly back and forth about whether the starter is even good enough to be the starter as they perform inconsistently, with some new dude coming in after him and doing the same thing.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Some pretty wild takes both here and other places such as reddit,twitter etc. Seems like alot of people were just waiting for russ to do something they didnt like to just jump all over him. For the person saying that "Not one legit all time QB has openly gone on a legacy campaign prior to having cemented their status as all time great" can you please explain one all time great John Elway? What do you call refusing to play for a team that can and does draft you because you believe it would affect your ability to be successful? Or Eli manning? Was there some other mysterious reason other than his potential legacy for forcing his way to NY?

We then have another poster listing dozens of QBs drafted from only a few drafts and yet the best response given was around 10% or so those QBs being even serviceable. I get that people feel the need to be overly dramatic in response to all the media making things even more dramatic for clicks and views, but the more i read the more i start to genuinely hope russ ends up with another team so we can see what kind of seahawk football we get that others seem to want. Also, this isnt the first time a QB has publicy gone after his own team mates (Peyton manning and his idiot kicker come to mind) nor is it the first time a QB has talked about legacy (Rodgers has and probably will continue to do so).

IDK, just reading most of the stuff gives off vibes that its more of a russ the person problem rather than russ the player problem. Because football wise once hes gone, can you really say with any confidence that the seahawks will be able to either replace him with a similarly productive QB based on not just seattles previous history of drafting QBs, but the entirety of the NFL in general? Or spending 10-15 million less on a veteran QB will yield superior results based on who they can bring in with that extra money? As someone who enjoys watching the seahawks i hope that they can and do improve post russ (whenever that happens) but looking at the landscape of the NFL, id say chances of that are slim.

Leveraging the number #1 draft position to avoid playing for a team like the Jets is about wanting to go to a team that can win games. In my opinion it's not the same as droning on about your legacy when you're on a team that just finished 12-4 and at best is 50% responsible for any offensive issues to your 50%.

Russ the player problems lead to--> speculation about Russ the person problems--> causing the Russ the player problems. It's a natural progression and we'll most likely never know anything about this entire situation unless something really explosive happens.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Another thought that just crossed my mind and I haven't seen mentioned in all of this chaos, is why this incident has turned some people away from Russell who other wise like or love him.

I think Russell's main appeal to a lot of us fans over the years was he appeared to be the perfect combination of the 2 major different levels of competent QBs in the league. He was the ultimate "game manager" with Elite QB ability or put another way, he was an Elite level QB with the attitude of a game manager QB. Either way you want to combine those 2. It felt like we were getting all of the good stuff without any risk of the bad stuff. That we were gonna be lucky enough to avoid any of the possible pitfalls of a super star QB. Now that some of that bad stuff is showing up, the image or whatever you want to label it, is shattering and it's unpleasant and disappointing. For some there's no coming back from it, others will forget about it once the season starts. Everyone will forget if a SB results