Silence Is Deafening

[knownone]

I could not agree more. The more I've learned about Russell's comments and the staging of the events leading up to them, the more I see why the front office would be upset. Russell is making the narrative entirely about him while subversively attacking the legacy and credibility of the organization. This has been a model franchise since Allen took over. Pete Carroll is one of the greatest coaches of all time. John Schneider is among the most respected and successful GM's in the NFL. Yet, Russ basically went on live television and talked as if he'd been in Detroit the past 10 years.

Russ always talks about wanting to be like Jeter, but it's starting to look like his legacy in Seattle could end up looking like Arod.

There are 15 Head Coaches that have a better playoff record than Pete Carroll since our last Super Bowl win, 15. Nobody has lost more playoff games in that time period than Pete Carroll. We keep losing because of the same reasons as well. Running conservative schemes that allow the other team to run up the score. When we finally let the reigns loose on Wilson we have too big of a deficit to overcome. It's been the story since 2015.

Sorry, I'll definitely respond to the rest of your post in-depth (later today). But you hit me with a fascinating analysis of Pete being 15th in payoff record since our last Superbowl, and I had to dig in. Feel free to let me know if I missed any major coaches. My brain does not work as well as it used to, but I think I've got most of them.

Wins(W) - Loss(L) - Total Games(G) - Appearances(A) - Potential Appearances (PA)

Pete Carroll: 3-5-8-5-6
Sean Payton: 3-4-7-4-6
Sean McVay: 3-3-6-3-4
Andy Reid: 7-5-12-6-6
Mike Tomlin: 3-4-7-4-6
John Harbaugh: 1-3-4-3-6
Doug Pederson: 4-2-6-3-5
Kyle Shanahan: 2-1-3-1-4
Matt Lefluer: 2-2-4-2-2
Mike Zimmer: 2-2-4-3-6
Bill Belichick: 9-3-12-5-6
Sean McDermott: 2-3-5-3-4
Bruce Arians: 5-1-6-2-5
Mike Vrabel: 2-2-4-2-3

One obvious thing that stands out is that making the playoffs dramatically impacts your overall record. So while Pete has a worse % than many coaches, he's also played in the 3rd most games during that stretch. Furthermore, the two guys ahead of him have played in more home games.

Playoff home games: W/L
Carroll: 3/1
Belichick: 5/1
Reid: 5/4

Here's where things get interesting. If we take Brady out of the mix and adjust for teams with QBs not on rookie contracts, your top 5 coaches' rankings look like this.

Playoffs record w/o TB12 and QBs on rookie contracts: W/L/A

Pete Carroll: 3/5/5
Mike Tomlin: 3/4/4
Sean Payton: 3/4/4
Mike Zimmer: 2/2/3
Matt Lefleur: 2/2/2

In conclusion, when you ignore the GOAT and adjust for rookie contracts, all other things being equal, Pete Carroll is the most consistent coach in the league in terms of making the playoffs and winning in them. If you include Brady he's 3rd.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Last year was the shot across the bow.

I keep hearing 'Wilson should have kept it in-house'.

Well, what if in-house did not work? According to his side, he has been pushing against this Carroll crap for years. And nothing came of it.

So last year, he did a drip campaign. That was 'Let Russ Cook'. The other part of that campaign was the warning. Pete ignored it. Did what Pete wanted to do, which was trot out a failed coaching philosophy and attempt to force it regardless.

That got us a loss against a team with essentially half a QB. In a game where 3/4 of the time Aaron Donald did not even play.

So Wilson, with the rail in place from the first campaign, started his second campaign.

And yet, because this is about Pete's pride - Pete refuses to do what even the Texans FO is smart enough to do. At least show a commitment to keeping your star QB. Because this is about Pete's ego. And the reality is that without Wilson, Pete is a below-average NFL coach. (He is going to find this out when he drives off Wilson, BTW)

He has 2 skillsets that are effective and valuable in the NFL, he is a great motivator and a great eye for talent/developer of same. The rest he is pretty much garbage at.

Wilson is loyal as a core character trait. But he is getting to the age where QBs start worrying about their legacy. Did you know that pro athletes care more about being in the HOF than winning a SB? That is why legacy is so important.

And Wilson realizes that Pete is going to saddle him with a legacy of being, for the most part, a playoff loser. Not even his fault but instead because of terrible gameplans for playoff games. Wilson wants a chance to show he can be great in the playoffs again and knows it will never be under Pete.

He kept it in-house for years. Nothing changed. So now he needs to build external pressure for change. He needs a campaign.

And when you pay someone millions of dollars, they can pay very talented people to build a marketing campaign for them. He did and it is working. You cannot blame him if the FO (Pete) refuses to listen or change any other way.

This is ALL on Pete. For years of trying to force a failing coaching philosophy on a QB that deserves better.

 

[IndyHawk]

Last year was the shot across the bow.

I keep hearing 'Wilson should have kept it in-house'.

Well, what if in-house did not work? According to his side, he has been pushing against this Carroll crap for years. And nothing came of it.

So last year, he did a drip campaign. That was 'Let Russ Cook'. The other part of that campaign was the warning. Pete ignored it. Did what Pete wanted to do, which was trot out a failed coaching philosophy and attempt to force it regardless.

That got us a loss against a team with essentially half a QB. In a game where 3/4 of the time Aaron Donald did not even play.

So Wilson, with the rail in place from the first campaign, started his second campaign.

And yet, because this is about Pete's pride - Pete refuses to do what even the Texans FO is smart enough to do. At least show a commitment to keeping your star QB. Because this is about Pete's ego. And the reality is that without Wilson, Pete is a below-average NFL coach. (He is going to find this out when he drives off Wilson, BTW)

He has 2 skillsets that are effective and valuable in the NFL, he is a great motivator and a great eye for talent/developer of same. The rest he is pretty much garbage at.

Wilson is loyal as a core character trait. But he is getting to the age where QBs start worrying about their legacy. Did you know that pro athletes care more about being in the HOF than winning a SB? That is why legacy is so important.

And Wilson realizes that Pete is going to saddle him with a legacy of being, for the most part, a playoff loser. Not even his fault but instead because of terrible gameplans for playoff games. Wilson wants a chance to show he can be great in the playoffs again and knows it will never be under Pete.

He kept it in-house for years. Nothing changed. So now he needs to build external pressure for change. He needs a campaign.

And when you pay someone millions of dollars, they can pay very talented people to build a marketing campaign for them. He did and it is working. You cannot blame him if the FO (Pete) refuses to listen or change any other way.

This is ALL on Pete. For years of trying to force a failing coaching philosophy on a QB that deserves better.

Russ can take his LEGACY and stick it where the sun don't shine.
It's always everyone-everything else but him..Nah

 

[Cyrus12]

Last year was the shot across the bow.

I keep hearing 'Wilson should have kept it in-house'.

Well, what if in-house did not work? According to his side, he has been pushing against this Carroll crap for years. And nothing came of it.

So last year, he did a drip campaign. That was 'Let Russ Cook'. The other part of that campaign was the warning. Pete ignored it. Did what Pete wanted to do, which was trot out a failed coaching philosophy and attempt to force it regardless.

That got us a loss against a team with essentially half a QB. In a game where 3/4 of the time Aaron Donald did not even play.

So Wilson, with the rail in place from the first campaign, started his second campaign.

And yet, because this is about Pete's pride - Pete refuses to do what even the Texans FO is smart enough to do. At least show a commitment to keeping your star QB. Because this is about Pete's ego. And the reality is that without Wilson, Pete is a below-average NFL coach. (He is going to find this out when he drives off Wilson, BTW)

He has 2 skillsets that are effective and valuable in the NFL, he is a great motivator and a great eye for talent/developer of same. The rest he is pretty much garbage at.

Wilson is loyal as a core character trait. But he is getting to the age where QBs start worrying about their legacy. Did you know that pro athletes care more about being in the HOF than winning a SB? That is why legacy is so important.

And Wilson realizes that Pete is going to saddle him with a legacy of being, for the most part, a playoff loser. Not even his fault but instead because of terrible gameplans for playoff games. Wilson wants a chance to show he can be great in the playoffs again and knows it will never be under Pete.

He kept it in-house for years. Nothing changed. So now he needs to build external pressure for change. He needs a campaign.

And when you pay someone millions of dollars, they can pay very talented people to build a marketing campaign for them. He did and it is working. You cannot blame him if the FO (Pete) refuses to listen or change any other way.

This is ALL on Pete. For years of trying to force a failing coaching philosophy on a QB that deserves better.

Russ can take his LEGACY and stick it where the sun don't shine.
It's always everyone-everything else but him..Nah

So what you are saying is you are not buying his perfume or gq magazine issue?

 

[knownone]

Last year was the shot across the bow.

I keep hearing 'Wilson should have kept it in-house'.

Well, what if in-house did not work? According to his side, he has been pushing against this Carroll crap for years. And nothing came of it.

So last year, he did a drip campaign. That was 'Let Russ Cook'. The other part of that campaign was the warning. Pete ignored it. Did what Pete wanted to do, which was trot out a failed coaching philosophy and attempt to force it regardless.

That got us a loss against a team with essentially half a QB. In a game where 3/4 of the time Aaron Donald did not even play.

This is just not true. In the Rams playoff game, Seattle dropped back to pass 36 times, Russ was sacked on 5, he ran on 4 of them. They had 21 designed runs. So what exactly is Pete's failed philosophy? Throwing the ball?

In the first half, 9 Runs / 13 passes.

Fun fact: In the first half, Chris Carson had 43 rushing yards on 6 carries good for a 7 Y/C.
Fun fact: In the first half, Russell Wilson had 95 yards 1 TD, a pick 6, and 3 completions in 13 dropbacks.

Sure seems like the prudent thing to do would be to run more, right? Don't worry, they didn't. They threw the ball 8 times on their first 3 drives of the 2nd half. Guess what? 7 of those 8 passes were incomplete! On the following drive, they ran the ball 3 straight times and got a first down. Then, they have 1 run and 4 straight incomplete passes.

:sarcasm_on: It's a shame Pete didn't abandon his pass-first philosophy in the playoffs. I mean, his QB clearly had no time and his RB was averaging 4.8 Y/C for the game. Stubborn Pete. :sarcasm_off:

 

[hawk45]

Last year was the shot across the bow.

I keep hearing 'Wilson should have kept it in-house'.

Well, what if in-house did not work? According to his side, he has been pushing against this Carroll crap for years. And nothing came of it.

So last year, he did a drip campaign. That was 'Let Russ Cook'. The other part of that campaign was the warning. Pete ignored it. Did what Pete wanted to do, which was trot out a failed coaching philosophy and attempt to force it regardless.

That got us a loss against a team with essentially half a QB. In a game where 3/4 of the time Aaron Donald did not even play.

This is just not true. In the Rams playoff game, Seattle dropped back to pass 36 times, Russ was sacked on 5, he ran on 4 of them. They had 21 designed runs. So what exactly is Pete's failed philosophy? Throwing the ball?

In the first half, 9 Runs / 13 passes.

Fun fact: In the first half, Chris Carson had 43 rushing yards on 6 carries good for a 7 Y/C.
Fun fact: In the first half, Russell Wilson had 95 yards 1 TD, a pick 6, and 3 completions in 13 dropbacks.

Sure seems like the prudent thing to do would be to run more, right? Don't worry, they didn't. They threw the ball 8 times on their first 3 drives of the 2nd half. Guess what? 7 of those 8 passes were incomplete! On the following drive, they ran the ball 3 straight times and got a first down. Then, they have 1 run and 4 straight incomplete passes.

:sarcasm_on: It's a shame Pete didn't abandon his pass-first philosophy in the playoffs. I mean, his QB clearly had no time and his RB was averaging 4.8 Y/C for the game. Stubborn Pete. :sarcasm_off:

That’s what I saw. Pete gave Russ and schotty rope this year to throw the ball all over the yard and they kept it up long after running the ball more vs 2 high was the adjustment needed, instead of scheming short middle routes that Russ ignored or executed poorly.

Pete’s approach was vindicated if anything this year, and schotty probably didn’t want to hear Pete say we cannot pass ourselves out of it, so schotty was fired.

The rams at their best rely heavily on the running game to get easier completions in the intermediate area, which Russ can hit. So the Waldron hire may work, but not because Pete succumbs to some WCO variant his QB can’t execute, and Waldron will not lose sight of the fact that an effective run game is part of an effective passing game. Schotty lost sight of that this year.

Hopefully they can dress it up so that Wilson doesn’t buck the reality that we do not want him throwing 40 times a game. Really no team wants that even if their QB can sustain it an entire season. Playoff wins are about balance unless you are the chiefs, and they should have run the ball more themselves in the championship. That they didn’t pretty much sealed their fate and let the buc DL tee off all game against backup tackles.

 

[TwistedHusky]

You fight like you train.

We pushed a stupid run first philosophy for half the year. We did the bare minimum needed to be effective during the games we won. And sure it worked.

But then the REAL games start, the games your team needs to have the QB (your best offensive asset) carry the team.

And you haven't done this enough (as a team) to be effective at it under fire.

Changing your gameplan literally 1 game into the playoffs is not a wise strategy. Because you need to become adept at it, learn how to deal with the pressure, find how to use the slot routes better, etc.

We gave ourselves one game to figure out how to do an effective passing first offense, after we shut down the Russ Cook stuff that was more taking advantage of disjointed defenses than that same thing. Pete shutting down the offense for half a year, and barely using it even when he did use it ?

That assured we would be rusty and unsure when we had to use it. Sure enough, that happened.

The biggest problem with Pete's philosophy is it works in the regular season. It gets you wins. But since it doesn't in the playoffs, you are completely unprepared to play the other way that is required for wins in the playoffs.

So you spend the whole year honing your skills at executing this gameplan that will not work in the playoffs to knife edge sharpness. And having mastered it, have to do something completely different in the playoffs that most of your people have very little comfort with. Weirdly, that fails regularly for you. Wonder why?

It doesn't matter if you throw the ball 60 times in the playoff game if you are not adept as a team in executing that kind of gameplan. Pete essentially spends the whole year trying to get this team to the playoffs but setting it up for failure in the same.

It is better to have a worse regular-season record and better record in the playoffs. Pete has never grasped that.

 

[hawk45]

That the narrative on this board during and after the rams game where Carson had 7 YPC in the first half (and we didn’t ride that) was that Pete was too stubborn forcing his desired game plan is a sign to me that the magic WCO theory is just immune to facts.

We need to win by running the ball and playing defense. Criticize Pete for not getting the D to where it needs to be (it improved but I still don’t like the gimmicky feel of the Adams solution to pass rush instead of fixing DL and not having to live and die by the blitz). Criticize Pete for not building a better OL (respectable since solari but if it’s stronger then maybe we don’t need a bell cow back like we do now and fall to pieces when that bell cow is injured). But criticizing him for being stubborn *this* year when he let Russ and schotty do whatever they wanted - I just don’t get that.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Also, please go back and watch the game if you honestly think 'Carson was getting 4.8 a carry'.

He wasn't. He was getting 2-3 yds on 1st and 10. And then Hyde would come in and get you 1-2.

He had some big runs that jacked his stats up, but when we were something like 2nd and 25 after a QB sack.

But running Carson 2 downs out of 10 would have just been that run run pass punt thing that helps nobody.


A good example was his run for 15 when it was 2nd and 34. 15 yards is great but the defense was happy to give it to us to prevent a long pass for a 1st down.

The idea that we could have won that game by riding Carson is laughable on the face of it. Maybe you can run on the Rams, but for the most part our RBs put us in passing situations by not getting the 4.8 getting pointed to. Then our QB would get sacked, putting us in even worse distance to down.

It was a bad gameplan. Carson would not have gotten us out of it. What would have worked is having worked on a passing offense enough against good pass-rushing teams during the regular season so we were prepared for it.

 

[nwHawk]

This is just not true. In the Rams playoff game, Seattle dropped back to pass 36 times, Russ was sacked on 5, he ran on 4 of them. They had 21 designed runs. So what exactly is Pete's failed philosophy? Throwing the ball?

In the first half, 9 Runs / 13 passes.

Fun fact: In the first half, Chris Carson had 43 rushing yards on 6 carries good for a 7 Y/C.
Fun fact: In the first half, Russell Wilson had 95 yards 1 TD, a pick 6, and 3 completions in 13 dropbacks.

Sure seems like the prudent thing to do would be to run more, right? Don't worry, they didn't. They threw the ball 8 times on their first 3 drives of the 2nd half. Guess what? 7 of those 8 passes were incomplete! On the following drive, they ran the ball 3 straight times and got a first down. Then, they have 1 run and 4 straight incomplete passes.

:sarcasm_on: It's a shame Pete didn't abandon his pass-first philosophy in the playoffs. I mean, his QB clearly had no time and his RB was averaging 4.8 Y/C for the game. Stubborn Pete. :sarcasm_off:

I feel your pain.

I can't tell you how many times I've rewatched games and the All-22 coaches tape and wondered - why do people keep acting like this wasn't a pass first team last year...?

 

[BleuEyedHawk]

In attempting to reconcile from season ending disappointment, I’ve been visiting here more than usual and appreciate the many contributions by everyone.

Unlike some posters, I’m neither a fervent Russ believer or a hater. His strengths and weaknesses have already been covered at length but what remains are issues of direction and chemistry.

A seemingly innocuous example of a shift in direction would be this interview after the NFC Championship game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Np8qwRWBg

It seems trivial, but Russ’s appearance caught my attention. Where was the Championship T-shirt? He was representing the Seahawks in a moment of victory but he is wearing a Tinseltown Lakers jersey. It gave me the impression that he was setting himself apart from being a Seahawk. It wasn’t a TEAM look.

Most people understand wanting to grow within your job - no matter the profession. At first, Russ took on the team player role as dictated by Pete and John’s vision. However his outlook changed as he became more experienced and refined his goals but there’s now a clash with Pete’s philosophy. They’ve hit an impasse and the approach to a resolution is just as divided: Russ favoring a heightened media response and management going silent.

No matter, it’s still a contractual job for Russ and he knew the stipulations. Management seems to be making some effort to appease him but just because you want to restructure your employment doesn’t mean you can. Russ may not be going anywhere as he may be called upon to fulfill his obligation. The same with Pete.

I don't know what will happen but will attempt to roll with it.

I do know that I'm tired of the media drama.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I could not agree more. The more I've learned about Russell's comments and the staging of the events leading up to them, the more I see why the front office would be upset. Russell is making the narrative entirely about him while subversively attacking the legacy and credibility of the organization. This has been a model franchise since Allen took over. Pete Carroll is one of the greatest coaches of all time. John Schneider is among the most respected and successful GM's in the NFL. Yet, Russ basically went on live television and talked as if he'd been in Detroit the past 10 years.

Russ always talks about wanting to be like Jeter, but it's starting to look like his legacy in Seattle could end up looking like Arod.

There are 15 Head Coaches that have a better playoff record than Pete Carroll since our last Super Bowl win, 15. Nobody has lost more playoff games in that time period than Pete Carroll. We keep losing because of the same reasons as well. Running conservative schemes that allow the other team to run up the score. When we finally let the reigns loose on Wilson we have too big of a deficit to overcome. It's been the story since 2015.

Sorry, I'll definitely respond to the rest of your post in-depth (later today). But you hit me with a fascinating analysis of Pete being 15th in payoff record since our last Superbowl, and I had to dig in. Feel free to let me know if I missed any major coaches. My brain does not work as well as it used to, but I think I've got most of them.

Wins(W) - Loss(L) - Total Games(G) - Appearances(A) - Potential Appearances (PA)

Pete Carroll: 3-5-8-5-6
Sean Payton: 3-4-7-4-6
Sean McVay: 3-3-6-3-4
Andy Reid: 7-5-12-6-6
Mike Tomlin: 3-4-7-4-6
John Harbaugh: 1-3-4-3-6
Doug Pederson: 4-2-6-3-5
Kyle Shanahan: 2-1-3-1-4
Matt Lefluer: 2-2-4-2-2
Mike Zimmer: 2-2-4-3-6
Bill Belichick: 9-3-12-5-6
Sean McDermott: 2-3-5-3-4
Bruce Arians: 5-1-6-2-5
Mike Vrabel: 2-2-4-2-3

One obvious thing that stands out is that making the playoffs dramatically impacts your overall record. So while Pete has a worse % than many coaches, he's also played in the 3rd most games during that stretch. Furthermore, the two guys ahead of him have played in more home games.

Playoff home games: W/L
Carroll: 3/1
Belichick: 5/1
Reid: 5/4

Here's where things get interesting. If we take Brady out of the mix and adjust for teams with QBs not on rookie contracts, your top 5 coaches' rankings look like this.

Playoffs record w/o TB12 and QBs on rookie contracts: W/L/A

Pete Carroll: 3/5/5
Mike Tomlin: 3/4/4
Sean Payton: 3/4/4
Mike Zimmer: 2/2/3
Matt Lefleur: 2/2/2

In conclusion, when you ignore the GOAT and adjust for rookie contracts, all other things being equal, Pete Carroll is the most consistent coach in the league in terms of making the playoffs and winning in them. If you include Brady he's 3rd.

Carroll's home wins came largely came during his first years back in in the NFL. Since 2015 he's batting .500 and he just lost a home game to an injured Jared Goff. His other home game since 2015 was against the Detroit Lions, a another case of a QB playing with an injured throwing arm, among other injuries.

Furthermore Carroll realistically should have two wins. Blair Walsh missed a 27 yard field goal that would have won the Vikings the game in the final seconds. His record could very well be 2/6. Your numbers only reinforced my assertion, he has a worse win percentage, and has lost more playoff games than any of those coaches on the list except for John Harbaugh -- which is not a coach I included in my list of 15. Where is the consistency that you're talking about? Another thing that should also be mentioned is that Sean Payton, Matt Lefleur, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McDermott, Mike Tomlin, Kubiak, Arians, Quinn and more have all been to a NFC/AFC championship or Super Bowl since 2015.

Your numbers are doing nothing more than reinforcing my point. Carroll has lost more games than any of those coaches and has one of the worst records of the bunch next to John Harbaugh. If we look at those wins the picture becomes more bleak. Matt Stafford with an injured throwing arm, and sprained ankle, a Detroit Lions team that backed into the playoffs. A lucky missed 27 field goal at the end of regulation. A win against an Eagles team that barely made the playoffs and was fielding a 40 year something McCown, who also got injured during the course of the game. We don't have a single quality playoff win on our resume since 2015.

If you're trying to prove Carroll's consistency in the playoffs, you didn't do a good job. If anything you shown that he consistently loses.

 

[acer1240]

Yup. Fire the most successful coach in franchise history. Get rid of our HOF QB too.

Do most of you understand what happened between 1976 and now?

It was pure torture most years.

12 win seasons are not normal.

Recent Seahawks fans are a bunch of spoiled brats.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Imagine the nerve of a qb that has been sacked more times in 9 seasons that any qb in NFL history to actually say that he doesn't like getting sacked that much.

Like who does he think he is. Cant he just shut up and play football?!?

/thread

 

[pittpnthrs]

Yup. Fire the most successful coach in franchise history. Get rid of our HOF QB too.

Do most of you understand what happened between 1976 and now?

It was pure torture most years.

12 win seasons are not normal.

Recent Seahawks fans are a bunch of spoiled brats.

So the fans should just be content with good regular seasons, early playoff exits, and never moving forward? How dare some of us wanting more.

 

[scutterhawk]

You fight like you train.

We pushed a stupid run first philosophy for half the year. We did the bare minimum needed to be effective during the games we won. And sure it worked.

But then the REAL games start, the games your team needs to have the QB (your best offensive asset) carry the team.

And you haven't done this enough (as a team) to be effective at it under fire.

Changing your gameplan literally 1 game into the playoffs is not a wise strategy. Because you need to become adept at it, learn how to deal with the pressure, find how to use the slot routes better, etc.

We gave ourselves one game to figure out how to do an effective passing first offense, after we shut down the Russ Cook stuff that was more taking advantage of disjointed defenses than that same thing. Pete shutting down the offense for half a year, and barely using it even when he did use it ?

That assured we would be rusty and unsure when we had to use it. Sure enough, that happened.

The biggest problem with Pete's philosophy is it works in the regular season. It gets you wins. But since it doesn't in the playoffs, you are completely unprepared to play the other way that is required for wins in the playoffs.

So you spend the whole year honing your skills at executing this gameplan that will not work in the playoffs to knife edge sharpness. And having mastered it, have to do something completely different in the playoffs that most of your people have very little comfort with. Weirdly, that fails regularly for you. Wonder why?

It doesn't matter if you throw the ball 60 times in the playoff game if you are not adept as a team in executing that kind of gameplan. Pete essentially spends the whole year trying to get this team to the playoffs but setting it up for failure in the same.

It is better to have a worse regular-season record and better record in the playoffs. Pete has never grasped that.

C'mon man, the first few games of the 2020 season, Carson wasn't injured, and neither was Hyde, thus, the Run Game helped the Pass game, helped the Run Game helped the Pass Game, and so on and so on...Carson gets bunged up, Hyde gets bunged up, the Pass game get's key'd on, Passes start getting intercepted A LOT...Metcalf says, "Defenses started figuring us out", O-Schemes play right into the hands of the opposing Defenses...Pressure Sack, Pressure, Pick, Pressure, Hit, rinse & repeat.
I don't fault Wilson for his outside interests, I would too if I figured that I might take a season, OR WORSE YET, a Career ending injury, Hell, only a damned fool wouldn't look out for himself, just ask Kam Chancellor or Cliff Avril if they think Wilson is on a fools errand.
The Seahawks organization has been negligent in providing a better O-Line for Russ, BUT, they did go & get Brown, & obtained Lewis in last years Draft (right direction)
The right Schemes DO MATTER, but so does having a healthy RB to keep from being one dimensional, an getting hit, creamed, or lambasted on every other down.
Maybe Pete needs to put on a few pounds & shed a few years then go out & Pass Block for Wilson....There is no "Magic Bullet"

 

[scutterhawk]

Yup. Fire the most successful coach in franchise history. Get rid of our HOF QB too.

Do most of you understand what happened between 1976 and now?

It was pure torture most years.

12 win seasons are not normal.

Recent Seahawks fans are a bunch of spoiled brats.

So the fans should just be content with good regular seasons, early playoff exits, and never moving forward? How dare some of us wanting more.

Seriously dude!?!??

 

[scutterhawk]

Man, they's a lot of Biting, & sniveling, I'm thinkin' it's time to peruse some other threads here, I love coming here to .NET to hang out with my fellow 12's, Maybe I need some good news for a change. :irishdrinkers:

 

[acer1240]

Yup. Fire the most successful coach in franchise history. Get rid of our HOF QB too.

Do most of you understand what happened between 1976 and now?

It was pure torture most years.

12 win seasons are not normal.

Recent Seahawks fans are a bunch of spoiled brats.

So the fans should just be content with good regular seasons, early playoff exits, and never moving forward? How dare some of us wanting more.

Be careful what you wish for.

You, and others like you, want to move on from the only golden era this team has ever had.

Why?

 

[Rat]

Yup. Fire the most successful coach in franchise history. Get rid of our HOF QB too.

Do most of you understand what happened between 1976 and now?

It was pure torture most years.

12 win seasons are not normal.

Recent Seahawks fans are a bunch of spoiled brats.

So the fans should just be content with good regular seasons, early playoff exits, and never moving forward? How dare some of us wanting more.

Careful what you wish for. It would really suck to regress to winning only like one playoff game in four seasons.