Video: Seahawks defense is hilariously awful

[FloridaSeahawk18]

Great perspective on the miscommuncation of the secondary. Also shows how it's primarily coverage rather than our pass rush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1N5t_x ... ttKollmann

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Not trying to start an argument, but do we need 793 threads on how bad the defense is?

 

[jammerhawk]

Well, unfortunately it is.

 

[HawkRiderFan]

That video was equal parts informative and depressing. Re the "Is it Pete's fault or Norton's fault" debate, I understand it's Pete's D, but he can't be responsible for all the little details...or he shouldn't be as HC. The lack of communication problem imo falls directly on the coordinator and position coaches. Again, my opinion unlike the author who put the lack of adjustments all on Norton I think Pete has a big part in that too.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Soulfish,

No sarcasm here when I say a lot of us appreciate your optimism.

But....

When something is historically bad? Does it make sense to continue to scrutinize?

Maybe.

I think the bigger value of the video is that he makes the case that the pass rush is not the issue.

Then he lays out where the problems are occurring, what is fixable, and what is not.

While I don't expect it to change, we are seeing a lot of 'the defense did its job, this is on Russ' type of posts.

It seems relevant to point out this is not a problem that went away or we addressed in the last game.

Our defense did the same things that other teams took advantage of, the Rams just didn't take as much advantage of it as others did.

 

[BandWagon11Hawk]

Not trying to start an argument, but do we need 793 threads on how bad the defense is?

We have the offense and the defense. Not many threads on special teams I guess.

A lot of whining Russ is being picked on in offensive threads. What *should* be discussed on the seahawks.net forum?

I for one don't mind links to actual videos / analysis.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Not trying to start an argument, but do we need 793 threads on how bad the defense is?

While I agree the narrative is tiresome due to its prevalence, I like that this thread at least begins with a solid resource to put into perspective what the main issues are.

Back to the thread: This is why I was saying fire Curtis before Norton. Simply fixing the miscommunications of assignments specifically as they relate to coverage schemes in the defensive backfield will transform the defensive results, and that's the job of a pass D specialist, not just the DC.

Norton's calls are not as problematic as the implementation and execution of said calls. Need someone to work specifically on those details, full time.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Fair enough, I was half kidding anyway. It is what it is.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Fair enough, I was half kidding anyway. It is what it is.

Believe me, I get ya though. It's all anyone wants to talk about. Gets quite exhausting.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

My frustration and anger during the game is right there with anyone, it's painful at times.
Like....can someone cover a receiver...…..just once??? Stuff like that :mrgreen:
And for the record, I realize how annoying I get...…..working on trying to be a little more lurk/less post.
These last 2 games have made me grumpy AF...…..

 

[mistaowen]

Soulfish,

No sarcasm here when I say a lot of us appreciate your optimism.

But....

When something is historically bad? Does it make sense to continue to scrutinize?

Maybe.

I think the bigger value of the video is that he makes the case that the pass rush is not the issue.

Then he lays out where the problems are occurring, what is fixable, and what is not.

While I don't expect it to change, we are seeing a lot of 'the defense did its job, this is on Russ' type of posts.

It seems relevant to point out this is not a problem that went away or we addressed in the last game.

Our defense did the same things that other teams took advantage of, the Rams just didn't take as much advantage of it as others did.

Bolding this part because I think McVay chose to not let Goff lose the game if their defense kept playing well. I've watched a few of their games this year and it's clear McVay is fed up with Goff and his TO's. They moved the ball with ease first 3 drives for 250 yards and 17 points. Then Adams got a strip-sack and McVay really took his foot off the gas, probably because he assumed Goff would force more TO's. If the offense actually showed up, the Rams could have easily matched the season averages of ~500 yards and 30+ points given up, they just didn't have to because Russ had the worst game of his career.

The defense still looked broken, the Rams just went conservative and played ball control. The video does a great job highlighting the horrendous job the coaching staff has done this year. Players certainly deserve blame for lack of execution in some cases but they aren't being put into a place to succeed. Playcalling is terrible, zero adjustments (which we all assumed), communication non-existent, zero situational awareness, obvious coverages where NFL QB's can easily know where to go with the ball, and repeatedly sticking with things that aren't working. The only time they get a stop is if Jamal makes a great play or the QB makes a mistake.

Pete needs to burn down the defensive coaching staff and bring in a young DC from college who can take the whole thing over. Offenses have evolved, taking schemes and play design from college, and Pete's D need a re-work.

 

[Momofantv]

Soulfish,

No sarcasm here when I say a lot of us appreciate your optimism.

But....

When something is historically bad? Does it make sense to continue to scrutinize?

Maybe.

I think the bigger value of the video is that he makes the case that the pass rush is not the issue.

Then he lays out where the problems are occurring, what is fixable, and what is not.

While I don't expect it to change, we are seeing a lot of 'the defense did its job, this is on Russ' type of posts.

It seems relevant to point out this is not a problem that went away or we addressed in the last game.

Our defense did the same things that other teams took advantage of, the Rams just didn't take as much advantage of it as others did.

Bolding this part because I think McVay chose to not let Goff lose the game if their defense kept playing well. I've watched a few of their games this year and it's clear McVay is fed up with Goff and his TO's. They moved the ball with ease first 3 drives for 250 yards and 17 points. Then Adams got a strip-sack and McVay really took his foot off the gas, probably because he assumed Goff would force more TO's. If the offense actually showed up, the Rams could have easily matched the season averages of ~500 yards and 30+ points given up, they just didn't have to because Russ had the worst game of his career.

The defense still looked broken, the Rams just went conservative and played ball control. The video does a great job highlighting the horrendous job the coaching staff has done this year. Players certainly deserve blame for lack of execution in some cases but they aren't being put into a place to succeed. Playcalling is terrible, zero adjustments (which we all assumed), communication non-existent, zero situational awareness, obvious coverages where NFL QB's can easily know where to go with the ball, and repeatedly sticking with things that aren't working. The only time they get a stop is if Jamal makes a great play or the QB makes a mistake.

Pete needs to burn down the defensive coaching staff and bring in a young DC from college who can take the whole thing over. Offenses have evolved, taking schemes and play design from college, and Pete's D need a re-work.

Pete will never change if you wanted some change you lost it when he got 5 more years here, until he’s gone this is our D yearly

 

[Jerhawk]

Not trying to start an argument, but do we need 793 threads on how bad the defense is?

The goal is 1,000 threads. We have a ways to go!

 

[xray]

The defense plays like they don't practice together . There is enough talent there . It's got to be a coaching issue IMO.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

The defense plays like they don't practice together . There is enough talent there . It's got to be a coaching issue IMO.

I think Pete's defenses have always relied on talent and talent alone rather than a comprehensive scheme to fill the gaps for any lack of talent. Yes there is talent on this defense but that seems to be what he, and Norton, are relying on to succeed.

 

[Hockey Guy]

I turned to my wife during that 3rd & 4 - delay of game - 3rd & 9 sequence & said "I can't believe they're gonna run the same ****ing blitz 2 plays in a row" so, if I can see it, the opposition can too.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Wow, funny you mention that. I had the same exact conversation w/my wife during the Rams game.
If I can call the play from the couch, they know it's coming etc.
Mine was on the extremely predictable running plays, and exactly who is going to get the ball.
There's way too much talent on this offense (who was averaging 34 a game before the Rams game) to be so damn predictable.

And YES, I know this thread was about the Defense

 

[onepicknick1]

WOW that was very informative I didn't think there was that much involved but crap I now know I would of never made it to the big time now lets see if this guy drops at 5 yards he's my responsibility if he goes 10 yds he's this guys if he goes beyond he's the safety wait a minute which guy are we talking about I'm so confused. No wonder they're bad maybe it's above their head I now know it's above mine.

I like the defense that contest the catch instead of the one we have catch it and we'll try and tackle you.

 

[cymatica]

Not trying to start an argument, but do we need 793 threads on how bad the defense is?

While I agree the narrative is tiresome due to its prevalence, I like that this thread at least begins with a solid resource to put into perspective what the main issues are.

Back to the thread: This is why I was saying fire Curtis before Norton. Simply fixing the miscommunications of assignments specifically as they relate to coverage schemes in the defensive backfield will transform the defensive results, and that's the job of a pass D specialist, not just the DC.

Norton's calls are not as problematic as the implementation and execution of said calls. Need someone to work specifically on those details, full time.

One of the points of the video was the play calling. The fact that Norton keeps calling zero blitzes on 3rd down. The play higlighted, which was the zero blitz and Allen then clearly audibles to screen, is a perfect example of horrible situational playcalling. Also the insistence of playing to stop the run when it's obvious the Bills are passing on 95% of their plays.

 

[cymatica]

I turned to my wife during that 3rd & 4 - delay of game - 3rd & 9 sequence & said "I can't believe they're gonna run the same ****ing blitz 2 plays in a row" so, if I can see it, the opposition can too.

That's what is maddening. At least show the same play then run something else. Their blitzes are horribly telegraphed, even on tv. They have absolutely zero ability to fake out the offense or confuse protection. I think they are better off rushing 2 or 3