Why did the Seahawks lose the last 4 in a row

[LTH]

They lost both Ram games after having a lead in the 4th quarter, a missed field goal is just an excuse. They always lose to McVay because they are so predictable and never adjust. On Thanksgiving, they should have played Lock, Geno didn't even practice. Yeah they probably lose, but playing an injured Geno with no reps was just stupid. The oline has had injuries, sure, but they've whiffed on the line for years and finally got some good players but they are young and have been thrown into the fire because they have no other option.

This is the result of years of failure from the top. Dallas and SF both have 3 losses, they aren't invincible. They had a chance with Dallas and choked on the final drive, with that 4th down play call really putting a magnifying glass on the coaches failing when it counts.

Never mind that the Hawks went into that game with their starting running back hurt, never mind that the O line was decimated with injury, never mind that Geno Smith was hurt in the first half and Drew Lock had to come in cold off the bench.. Never mind that the Hawks lost a staple in their D as in Nwosu which by theway with him in the line up the Hawks had a top 10 D.. none of that matters in your mind because you made up your mind 5 years ago that the Hawks need to fire Pete Carroll and you will over look anything that disputes your assertion because your mind was made up 5 years ago.

 

[RiverDog]

The truth is that you probably picked the niners to win the game before the game started because they are the better team. Then when the Seahawks lose to the better team you stand up and say see I told you Carroll is the problem.

LTH

Yes, I did pick the Niners, and by a larger score than the actual result.

The reason why the Seahawks are worse than the Niners...and half of the other teams in the league...is directly due to Pete Carroll, so yes, he is the problem.

 

[jeremiah]

It's a very simple answer.

It's who they played. They should have beaten the Rams they lost because of a missed FG.

The SF 49ers are destroying EVERYBODY. Nobody is hanging in there with the 49ers.

The Dallas Cowboys are destroying EVERYBODY. nobody is hanging in there with them as apparent to their blow out victory against the Eagles.

So that's three games against opponents that are just superior teams than the Seahawks.

EVERYBODY knows that the Niners and Cowboys are the best teams in the league but yet there is this expectation that the Seahawks should beat these teams, and if they don't then obviously their needs to be a coaching change? I mean how realistic is that?

The Seahawks are in the second year of a rebuild in which this year they have had so many injuries... the O line has had 10 different combinations of players this year. Geno Smith has been hurt with a bad arm the first time they played the Niners with Walker out that first game.

The second game they lost with out their starting QB and walker playing hurt.

Would you expect the niners to win without Purdy and McCaffery out or playing hurt Against the best team in the league? I think not.

Ultimately what the fan base is expecting from the Seahawks is for Pete Carroll to coach up players that are NOT as good as the rosters of the best teams in the league, and then to beat the best teams in the league. And when they can't live up to that expectation then the coach MUST be fired.

How realistic is that? It's NOT REALISTIC AT ALL.

This is the reason they have this skid.

 LTH

They have lost HOW many straight to the Rams? Add in the Niners, and they just aren't competitive. Cleveland is winning with a retread. Cincinnati is on a roll with Jake Browning, who people on here discount as a weak armed college QB and never to be NFL star. In short, they fight like hell and are persevering. Sorry, but the Hawks are not doing that. It is time for a change at Coach. Why wait until next year or the year after, or when Pete falls down from a stroke or heart attack. IT IS TIME...

 

[strohmin]

10-4 on the Titans and Cards, but the Steelers are still a legitimate team that is currently sitting on the #6 seed in the AFC.

lol yeah I know but I still consider them a garbage team even though we arent any better so far.

 

[scutterhawk]

Support that statement. How is this team built and coached to beat below .500 teams?

How many teams would actually beat a team like the 49ers and the Cowboys with a roster that is not as good? Explain to me why that expectation is valid.

LTH

The Seahawks have some great players, and a FEW players that are "Talking The Talk", but ain't Walking The Talk".
Those players HAVE NOT "Bought In", This team is only going to be as good as the "WEAKEST LINK", or in this case LINK''''S.

 

[LTH]

By your own admission, the Seahawks do not have the guns to hang with the big teams in the league. If the Seahawks were a legitimate team this season, we would have been able to snag at least one win. Instead we are a borderline playoff team that lost to both the 49ers and Rams TWICE. That missed field goal against the Rams (another team with a lot of injuries this year) was from a range that field goals are not a gimme anymore. Any 50+ yard field goal becomes more of a gamble.

This isn't unexpected either, you're talking about coaching not being an issue, but it has been.

The Seahawks have not fielded a top 10 defense since 2016, despite having the most resources of any team poured into our defense. Pete Carroll's teams have given up 500+ yards 15 times, 10 of them have come since 2020. This despite investing a top 5 pick, two firsts into Jamal Adams, trading for Diggs, putting a first into Collier, and signing god knows how many free agents. Look how many picks we've given up for defensive talent vs. our return on investment.

The Seahawks have one playoff win since 2017 to their name, and that is against a backup QB. Since our last Super Bowl appearance we have only won the NFC-West only twice within the 2015 - 2023 period. We've missed the playoffs two times, once in 2017, 2021 and now likely in 2023 during that period.

The period of times that we're missing the playoffs is starting to get shorter and shorter, the defense has been in "rebuild" since 2017 when we missed the playoffs. Our defenses have been in the bottom third of the league for years now despite the investment.

At this point I think it's time to start looking at Pete and wondering why the team hasn't been trending in the right direction. It's been a slow decline for awhile now. Coaching is starting to become an issue here. Something is broken in Seattle right now.

I mean I think it's pretty obvious that the Hawks are not as good as the Niners and Cowboys. If you look at the rosters, it's clear that the Hawks do not have the talent these teams have. No one thinks the Hawks rostrr is as talented as these teams...What does it say to have an expectation for the Hawks to beat these teams? It says that because Pete has coached up players in the past to exceed expectation that it has become the expectation.

Name a team besides the Pats that have picked at the bottom 3rd of the draft for 12 of the last 14 years and have a record better than Pete Carroll?

Yes the Hawks trade Wilson and have been rebuilding for the last 2 years. Most thought after the Wilson trade the Hawks were going to tank. But yet AGAIN Carroll and Scheider have two great drafts and the team exceeds expectations.. they don't tank as everybody thought.

This year they have been decimated with injury. Look at what happened to the 49ers in the past when their team was decimated with injury. Look at what happened to the niners this year when they lost Debo, McCaffery , and Williams. They went on a 3 game skid to average teams, why because they were not as good as the teams they were playing.

LTH

 

[LTH]

Yes, I did pick the Niners, and by a larger score than the actual result.

The reason why the Seahawks are worse than the Niners...and half of the other teams in the league...is directly due to Pete Carroll, so yes, he is the problem.

My point of this thread was basically the Hawks went on this skid because the talent on the other teams were greater than the talent on the Seahawks. I don't see how you can dispute that.

Who is beating the Niners they are wiping out everybody. So are the Cowboys yet the Seahawks played both those teams tough. There is NO shame in losing to either of those teams because the Hawks played them hard.

 

[LTH]

The Seahawks have some great players, and a FEW players that are "Talking The Talk", but ain't Walking The Talk".
Those players HAVE NOT "Bought In", This team is only going to be as good as the "WEAKEST LINK", or in this case LINK''''S.

You might have a point there. I wish I knew what was going on in the locker room.

 

[cymatica]

Never mind that the Hawks went into that game with their starting running back hurt, never mind that the O line was decimated with injury, never mind that Geno Smith was hurt in the first half and Drew Lock had to come in cold off the bench.. Never mind that the Hawks lost a staple in their D as in Nwosu which by theway with him in the line up the Hawks had a top 10 D.. none of that matters in your mind because you made up your mind 5 years ago that the Hawks need to fire Pete Carroll and you will over look anything that disputes your assertion because your mind was made up 5 years ago.

Oh brother. They've been blowing leads for years, it goes beyond injuries. They are definitely not a top 10 D with Nwosu, they played some bad teams that inflated that stat, and losing 1 player doesn't tip the scales that far. When Geno went out, the play calls were horrible even considering the situation. Not to mention they blew a 4th quarter lad in the first Rams game with their starters. They also barely beat a decimated Rams team last year in a must win game.

 

[LTH]

Oh brother. They've been blowing leads for years, it goes beyond injuries. They are definitely not a top 10 D with Nwosu, they played some bad teams that inflated that stat, and losing 1 player doesn't tip the scales that far. When Geno went out, the play calls were horrible even considering the situation. Not to mention they blew a 4th quarter lad in the first Rams game with their starters. They also barely beat a decimated Rams team last year in a must win game.

They were a top 10 D with Nwosu. Do you think the first run the 9ers made would have happened if Nwosu was in there I don't. Look at the tape... the Hawks over pursued because they were not trusting each other. Nwosu was a staple to that D front and they have NOT been able to replace that.

 

[Spin Doctor]

They were a top 10 D with Nwosu. Do you think the first run the 9ers made would have happened if Nwosu was in there I don't. Look at the tape... the Hawks over pursued because they were not trusting each other. Nwosu was a staple to that D front and they have NOT been able to replace that.

The Seahawks were a top 10 defense for an extremely small period of time this year. Even with Nowosu, the Seahawks defense was getting destroyed for the most part. The Rams dropped 37 on us, The Panthers dropped 27, the Lions dropped 31. The other three games were from a Watsonless Browns, Cardinals without Kyler Murray and the Bengals without Joe Burrow. Fantastic competition there. We were top 10 for a brief time, but once again, with such a limited sample size, you can't extrapolate that out -- especially when we did come against a good offense at the beginning of the year, they ate this defense alive.

 

[RiverDog]

My point of this thread was basically the Hawks went on this skid because the talent on the other teams were greater than the talent on the Seahawks. I don't see how you can dispute that.

And my point is that the reason why the other teams have more talent is due to Pete Carroll. I don't see how you can dispute that.

Who is beating the Niners they are wiping out everybody. So are the Cowboys yet the Seahawks played both those teams tough. There is NO shame in losing to either of those teams because the Hawks played them hard.

For crying out loud, take a look at the results! The Niners aren't "wiping out everybody". They lost 3 games in a row, two to teams that are currently just one game over .500. They aren't the '72 Dolphins. You're grasping for straws, looking for excuses.

 

[LTH]

And my point is that the reason why the other teams have more talent is due to Pete Carroll. I don't see how you can dispute that.

For crying out loud, take a look at the results! The Niners aren't "wiping out everybody". They lost 3 games in a row, two to teams that are currently just one game over .500. They aren't the '72 Dolphins.

Yeah the niners lost three games... why because debo, Williams, and McCaffrey were out. Injury. The Niners are the best team in football and I think your probably the only one who disputes that have you not been watching with the exception of those three games they are blowing out everybody they play.

The Hawks have been playing all year decimated by injuries and for some reason that gets put off as an excuse. Well I think it's ONE OF the MAJOR reasons why the Hawks are underachieving this year and to say it's not is naive.

So what exactly are you saying? Are you saying because the Hawks don't have the amount of talent in the 2nd year of their rebuild of the top two teams in the NFC that's Pete Carroll's fault? Look at the whole NFC and tell me who has acquired enough talent in the 2nd year of a rebuild to compete with the top two teams in the League? You can't because typically it takes longer than two years to rebuild a team.

Lth

 

[DeSeahawk]

The other teams scored more points in all 4 games.

Not many people pick up on that really important fact. I'm glad somebody finally had the guts to tell the truth.

 

[hawks85]

They lost 4 in a row because they suck.

 

[RiverDog]

So what exactly are you saying? Are you saying because the Hawks don't have the amount of talent in the 2nd year of their rebuild of the top two teams in the NFC that's Pete Carroll's fault? Look at the whole NFC and tell me who has acquired enough talent in the 2nd year of a rebuild to compete with the top two teams in the League? You can't because typically it takes longer than two years to rebuild a team.

Lth

I'm saying that it's not a rebuild. You are the only person calling it such. Even Pete isn't calling it a rebuild. You are conveniently ignoring 5 of the last 7 seasons worth of results by calling the past two a "rebuild". This is the 7th season in a row Pete has put out a mediocre team with very predictable results.

It must be nice to be so easily satisfied that you're comfortable with the past 7 years of football as you appear to be. There are times which I wish I had such low expectations as you have.

 

[DeSeahawk]

The Seahawks were a top 10 defense for an extremely small period of time this year. Even with Nowosu, the Seahawks defense was getting destroyed for the most part. The Rams dropped 37 on us, The Panthers dropped 27, the Lions dropped 31. The other three games were from a Watsonless Browns, Cardinals without Kyler Murray and the Bengals without Joe Burrow. Fantastic competition there. We were top 10 for a brief time, but once again, with such a limited sample size, you can't extrapolate that out -- especially when we did come against a good offense at the beginning of the year, they ate this defense alive.

That paints a perfect picture, imo. We haven't seen an above average defense here in what, 7 years ?

 

[renofox]

Yeah the niners lost three games... why because debo, Williams, and McCaffrey were out. Injury. The Niners are the best team in football and I think your probably the only one who disputes that have you not been watching with the exception of those three games they are blowing out everybody they play.

The Hawks have been playing all year decimated by injuries and for some reason that gets put off as an excuse. Well I think it's ONE OF the MAJOR reasons why the Hawks are underachieving this year and to say it's not is naive.

So what exactly are you saying? Are you saying because the Hawks don't have the amount of talent in the 2nd year of their rebuild of the top two teams in the NFC that's Pete Carroll's fault? Look at the whole NFC and tell me who has acquired enough talent in the 2nd year of a rebuild to compete with the top two teams in the League? You can't because typically it takes longer than two years to rebuild a team.

Lth

You keep using the term "rebuild". PCJS have straight denied that they've ever been in a rebuild. More importantly, maybe we should define the term clearly so that we're on the same page when having a discussion.

To me and, I dare say, to almost every sports analyst a rebuild is when you

1) Tear down your roster to get rid of overpaid and most highly paid players while amassing as many draft picks as possible.

2) Start with a clean future cap and spend a couple seasons drafting your future. Fill holes with low cost vets.

3) Develop your bounty of draft picks over a couple years while maintaining cap discipline. If you're serious, you should be rolling cap to the future and have little to no dead money.

4) Year 3 or so and it's time to evaluate your young talent. You now know what you have and where you need a few FA blue-chippers and have the cap to get them AND fill in the last few holes with solid mid-tier FAs.

5) Use this period to evaluate every position on the coaching staff. Have a short leash and turn it over until you've filled the ranks with top talent.

6) You have your team. Go win something.

This is completely different from what PC has been doing.

1) Trade for blue-chip players that will never provide adequate value for your schemes/systems. Spend years trying to figure out how to use them because they don't fit. Hold on to your highest paid players as long as possible and never cut or bench them.

2) Go cheap and do the bare minimum on your lines - we don't need any blue-chippers there. Once you realize your line play will mean 10+ losses, overpay in draft picks for mid-tier rentals. Every so often, find a mid-tier FA and pay him like a blue-chipper.

3) Try to coach players up. Ignore it when you see that the majority of players are regressing and only a tiny portion are actually improving throughout the season and year over year. Your coaches may get better someday.

4) "Run It Back" again and again even though the product for this season is, for all intents and purposes, pretty much the same as last season. A borderline playoff team who will be lucky to win a playoff game. Maybe your opponent will be starting a backup QB? Yay?

5) Be loyal to your coaching staff. Until you start hearing the rumbling, then fire one or two and blame them for all your failures. Put Loyalty at the top of the list of qualifications. When they start to deviate from your core football philosophies wait for them to have a bad game then "rein them in" and make them do it with your 1980's schemes. You know best. If you finally luck out and find a good OC, offer him an extension. When he comes in to sign tell him it's your way or the highway. Watch him walk out the door. Hire some schlub instead.

6) Welcome to your .500+- team that has no chance in the playoffs. If it looks like you'll end up more than a game or two below .500? Trade away future draft capital for another rental to keep yourself near .500. Enjoy the job security that comes with not being a loser. Ride the gravy train as long as possible while moving up the coaching wins leaderboard.


Sorry for the rant. But please tell me your definition of "rebuild" so I can tell if it's it's closer to my definition or PC's.

 

[LTH]

I'm saying that it's not a rebuild. You are the only person calling such. Even Pete isn't calling it a rebuild. You are conveniently ignoring 5 of the last 7 seasons worth of results by calling the past two a "rebuild". This is the 7th season in a row Pete has put out a mediocre team.

So what excuse is it that you haven't used? The dog ate my homework?

Well when you replace all but 2 players on the D what is that ? When you replace half of the O line, the Qb and the Rb what is that called? It's a rebuild
And I'm NOT the only one who thinks it's a rebuild almost all of the beat reporters at one time have called it a rebuild.

Why you ask?

Because it's a REBUILD LOL

Now I'm not saying the Hawks are not under performing because I believe they are. Specifically with the D. This D should be playing better than they are. Peneltys are a huge thing especially in both the Rams losses. If a coach coaches up a player and the player doesn't respond that's not automatically on the coach. The player needs to take responsibility. A perfect example is Woolen and his illegal hands to the face. That probably cost the Hawks the last Rams game. Time for Carroll to Crack the whip. The season isn't over yet.. let's see what Carroll does. Steal one from the Eagles, and there are 3 winnable games to win out and go 10-7. Will it happen? I don't know could it happen absolutely!


LTH

 

[onepicknick1]

Support that statement. How is this team built and coached to beat below .500 teams?

How many teams would actually beat a team like the 49ers and the Cowboys with a roster that is not as good? Explain to me why that expectation is valid.

LTH

The Browns, Vikings, and Bengals beat them all just above 500