kearly":1ayny1pa said:NINEster":1ayny1pa said:Kelly is a desperate coaching hire?
We know for a fact that Kelly wasn't Baalke's first choice, and Kelly's public displays of desperation the past couple months are well documented. This hire came down to Kelly and Mike Shanahan, two coaches nobody else even wanted to interview. It doesn't get much more desperate than that.
NINEster":1ayny1pa said:Look at who is on the roster for QBs, it makes sense. It would look more desperate for Cincinnati, or a team that's more "stable".
The 49ers have one of the worst QB situations in the league right now. Kelly doesn't really need a particular type of QB either. His ability to turn bad QBs into average starters is why he was less scared of the SF job than other coaches, but I wouldn't cite that as a reason to be excited.
I like Kelly, but his fit with the 49ers is the worst possible in the league. Even if he gets the offense rolling, and he probably will to an extent, his defenses are going to be so epicly bad that he'll probably be gone in a season or two. He's already inheriting a very, very bad defense, and now his hurry up style going to keep that horrible defense on the field an extra 200 plays next season.
Trent Baalke is a GM who would gladly fire a top 3 coach in a power struggle and hire the plummer to replace him. Chip Kelly was a tyrant who just got fired for wanting too much power. It's not going to work out.
NINEster":1ayny1pa said:Comparing Kelly to Tomsula smacks of Hawk hating homerism.
You have Niner fans questioning how the hell we won 5 games with Tomsula, looking back in retrospect.
Pete Carroll in 2010 I'm surely wasn't seen as the slam dunk hire as it appears now.
The Tomsula hire was a very obvious fall guy move, right down to his clown car sized contract, which is why I compared it to Dennis Erickson this time last year. And I was right.
Chip Kelly as a hire is less calculated but more desperate. Kelly's willingness to take any NFL HC job is what made him the guy. Look at how hard it was for the 49ers to even find good assistants the past couple years.
I don't know how the 49ers won 5 games either, their DVOA was league worst. But hey, I don't know how the 2009 Seahawks won five games either, it was their worst season statistically since 1992. Sometimes teams win a few games more than they should and vice-versa.
I thought Tomsula was nothing but a fall guy. I thought Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll were fantastic hires. And I wasn't all that excited about Jim Mora. But I guess I'm just a homer who doesn't know anything.
Just a few notes...
You are correct that nobody wanted to interview or hire Kelly, but should be noted that one of the big reason it happened in SF is that they were less scared off by the public perception of what went down in Philly because they had Tom Gamble on the payroll. They got a different version of the events in Philly from someone who was there. Is that a guarantee that it will work? Not by a long shot. I'm simply saying Kelly may not have gotten sniffs from anyone else because they were wary of what happened in Philly and the Niners had something of an advantage in that regard.
I really don't get your "bad fit" comment. You don't think he'll fit because his defenses would be bad? Seems that would be an issue ANYWHERE in the league. Thats a reason (and a reasonable one) not to like Kelly at all, but I don't get that argumet at all.
As for inheriting a bad, bad, bad defense and now they'll be on the field for an extra 200 plays...um...no. The 49ers were TRYING (badly) to run "Tempo" LAST year. They tried to hire Bob Bicknell as their OC to do so (who is now their WR coach) but were blocked from the interview. Chryst didn't have a clue how to do it.
The 49ers D was third in the NFL in time it spent on the field, not very far behind the Eagles.
This is not the case of an epically bad defense about to be completely exposed. Its a D that was exposed BADLY early last year that improved during the year (tons of young players) and are ALREADY a year into playing with an O running "tempo".
The 49ers even did ALOT of the sports science stuff Chip did in Philly. They started that last year.
The 49ers have wanted to run a tempo offense for two years now.
Baalke/Chip? Again...you are forgetting a third party. Tom Gamble. Gamble assured the team that Kelly wasn't the p[orblem. Roseman was. We'll see if he's right, but I'd trust a guy who was in the building then and in the building now over the media speculation of what went down.
Was Chip the first guy they wanted? Nope.
I think they wanted (in this order): Payton/Hue/Chip.
Payton stayed in NO because they wanted too much compentsation in trade. Hue wanted control of the 53 and Baalke didn't (and shouldn't) do that. That left Chip and Shanahan. I think they really liked Chip, but they had concerns about players wanting to play for him and defensive coaches wanting to coach for him. This are REAL concerns.