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Sorry guys. Not my best post. A little too much celebration last night.
Still...
Still...
Bevell Sucks.
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Largent80
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He appears to be a scapegoat for a win. Hmmmmm....Running the ball and playing defense is what happens in the playoffs and we did just that.
chris98251
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Pete or Bevell or both do not trust the offense to win a game, they trust the Defense. Wilson is playing not to lose instead of playing to win, no slants or crossing routes where a bad read can lead to a over throw or a missed target in a timing route and a turnover. Almost all our passes are sideline jump balls or real deep routes where we screen out the defender and limit any chance of a pick. TE's bread and butter are seam routes and slants, again we don't call them because of the above.
Just look at our Kick off team as an example, we put Turbin back there for security rather then trying to get a good return yardage guy.
I think were doing the same on offense, playing it so close to the vest that we have now started to handicap the offense rather then use the tools we have. Blame I think it has to be on Pete a lot, but Bevell is either a wet noodle or spineless as not to let his offense be allowed to actually play to their potential and lobbie hard with Pete to allow him to use the middle of the field rather then just the sidelines in the passing games.
Also possible we see the sweep strech plays to Lynch to open up the defense so they don't just stack up inside since we don't do anything else out on the edge with a speed back.
Just look at our Kick off team as an example, we put Turbin back there for security rather then trying to get a good return yardage guy.
I think were doing the same on offense, playing it so close to the vest that we have now started to handicap the offense rather then use the tools we have. Blame I think it has to be on Pete a lot, but Bevell is either a wet noodle or spineless as not to let his offense be allowed to actually play to their potential and lobbie hard with Pete to allow him to use the middle of the field rather then just the sidelines in the passing games.
Also possible we see the sweep strech plays to Lynch to open up the defense so they don't just stack up inside since we don't do anything else out on the edge with a speed back.
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I'll give him a pass because of the weather.
There's nothing you can do when Poseidon is in attendance.
There's nothing you can do when Poseidon is in attendance.
bevellisthedevil
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So when Bevell loses us a game based on his pop warner offensive game plan, will all of you "Bevell Buddies" say it is because our guys couldn't perform a simple offensive gameplan against complex defenses? I'm sorry but if you know what is coming you can stop it. We don't have a draw or a screen play in our playbook. Why can't we complete a slant pattern? because it is the only play we run on third and short.
What is the purpose of an empty backfield on a 3rd and short? How could it possibly help our offense by taking the possibility of a run out of the equation?
Some of you are saying we want the defense on the field. Are you frickin kidding me? You want your offense on the field to score points so you can win the game.
What is the purpose of an empty backfield on a 3rd and short? How could it possibly help our offense by taking the possibility of a run out of the equation?
Some of you are saying we want the defense on the field. Are you frickin kidding me? You want your offense on the field to score points so you can win the game.
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OK...first I am NOT a Bevell fan but I don't think criticism of yesterday is completely fair.
The wind was so bad that any throws beyond 15 yards was extremely difficult and the run was pretty effective. And if not for that holding call on the long Turbin run up 16-0 I really believe we would have won by a larger margin than the Monday Night Game. Couple that with the fact that our defense was absolutely dominating with a 2+ score lead (I know if was just two but it would take 2 tds and 2 2 pointers to catch us) and the gameplan was obviously as long as we are up by 16 points just play as conservative as possible...punting is winning. When they got within 8 it was late in the 4th quarter.
Did anyone think the game was ever in doubt after we went up 16-0 (to the point that you were nervous)? I think the gameplan worked.
The wind was so bad that any throws beyond 15 yards was extremely difficult and the run was pretty effective. And if not for that holding call on the long Turbin run up 16-0 I really believe we would have won by a larger margin than the Monday Night Game. Couple that with the fact that our defense was absolutely dominating with a 2+ score lead (I know if was just two but it would take 2 tds and 2 2 pointers to catch us) and the gameplan was obviously as long as we are up by 16 points just play as conservative as possible...punting is winning. When they got within 8 it was late in the 4th quarter.
Did anyone think the game was ever in doubt after we went up 16-0 (to the point that you were nervous)? I think the gameplan worked.
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Russell woulda got 300 yards passing if he needed it.
AbsolutNET
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Why is it so outlandish for fans to not be satisfied with the #26 passing offense in the league? Is there anyone here that wouldn't like to see that improve?
Largent80
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storm74":1kh4d9lo said:
Fixed
He DID yesterday.
Largent80
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AbsolutNET":2ozkhfet said:
We all want improvement, but this team is built to run and you know it Matt.....Crap. I REMEMBERED YOUR NAME. Drat.
Just need to execute, for all the Bevell hate, I agree with the plays called most of the time. If Tate catches a couple of drops or we connect on one long bomb in the 3rd we aren't talking much about Bevell IMO.
I do hope Pete/Bevell don't fall into the too conservative trap though. Teams going to have to win straight up and play looser than the last game to win it.
I do hope Pete/Bevell don't fall into the too conservative trap though. Teams going to have to win straight up and play looser than the last game to win it.
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AbsolutNET":8mmyylan said:
Yes. People on here seem to have a hard time separating garden variety hate and discontent with legitimate concern about an import phase of the game.
At some point, we are going to need the passing game to help. It could be against the 49ers, or it could be in the Super Bowl against two high powered offenses.
TDOTSEAHAWK
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Can someone explain to me, based on the strength of the Saints defense and the weather, why we would want to pass more?
Ifwe could win witbout throwing a pass - I would take that as an ultimate victory.
Pete Carroll agrees with that.
Ifwe could win witbout throwing a pass - I would take that as an ultimate victory.
Pete Carroll agrees with that.
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AbsolutNET":kvdwuu5i said:
Carolina and SF had the #29 and #30 passing offenses in the league. Do we refuse to recognize that these three teams play a certain style and are perfectly content to be at the very bottom of the league in overall passing yards? We're talking about the three best teams in the NFC here.
I understand discussing the offense, but most of the people complaining make utterly no attempt to contextualize the numbers by taking into account philosophy, weather, opposing defenses, game-situations, etc.
Largent80
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TDOTSEAHAWK":2ju519w2 said:
The voice of wisdom. We did EXACTLY what we should have, and executed it to perfection. Run, and play defense = Championship.
hawksfansinceday1
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I'm agreeing with Greg as well.Blitzer88":34a9z2pm said:
Largent80
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Yeah, we wouldn't want Marshawn to "bail us out" especially when we are built to run first.
AbsolutNET
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i understand how the team was built, but it's causing us to become one dimensional.
I would just like to be able to convert on a few more third downs, and I think our poorly designed passing game is hurting that. We can't get away with it like we could earlier in the year against worse defenses. Our poor passing game gives me a great deal of concern going into the NFC championship, that's all.
I would just like to be able to convert on a few more third downs, and I think our poorly designed passing game is hurting that. We can't get away with it like we could earlier in the year against worse defenses. Our poor passing game gives me a great deal of concern going into the NFC championship, that's all.
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