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hawknation2015":3vggcv2o said:No, you're 100% correct.
Kaepernick = Wilson.
:sarcasm_off:
Anything else I didn't say that you want to make up for me? :lol:
hawknation2015":3vggcv2o said:No, you're 100% correct.
Kaepernick = Wilson.
:sarcasm_off:
Popeyejones":d3hmi5kv said:hawknation2015":d3hmi5kv said:No, you're 100% correct.
Kaepernick = Wilson.
:sarcasm_off:
Anything else I didn't say that you want to make up for me? :lol:
rideaducati":39penr0d said:NINEster":39penr0d said:rideaducati":39penr0d said:The Alex Smith comparison is just plain dumb. Let me guess, you niner fans are also comparing Keeporpick to Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Manning...oh wait...http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/6/25/8 ... ent-greats
What a bunch of complete and utter garbage.
As far as Alex being better than Kaepernick? They both suck, so that is like saying colon cancer is better than liver cancer...they can both be pretty bad.
I think this season will show how good these 3 QBs really are. Once Wilson becomes a high teen/low 20 millionaire , the comparisons will be fair.
IMHO, Wilson is closer in talent to Kaepernick than you think. Def closer to him than a Rodgers, Brady, etc.
People forget 2012 and the 2013 NFCC so quickly.
Answer this:
Who had a better defense the last two years? SEA or SF?
Who was better RB? Lynch or Gore.
Which QB and RB ran more?
Which QB threw more?
If Wilson really is super elite, 20-25 APY is essentially the same. They wouldn't deny Rodgers, Peyton, Roethlisberger, etc that money if that's what it took.
But if he's perceived to be a rung below, that money will hurt the team.
Schneider and Allen will speak the unbiased truth. We're all just loudmouth spectators, but they cut the checks and take the heat for the team.
Niner fans were a bit stunned at how hard Baalke was with Smith in 2011-2012 offseason and Kap with his contract.
Most GMs are pretty damn neutral when it comes down to it.
Paying a QB only hurts a team that doesn't draft well or is paying money to a bad QB. $25 million/year for Russell is better use of money than Kaepernick at $17 million/year. Russell has already been offered over $21 million/year which would rank him THIRD highest paid QB in the league, so there is the perception of Russell from the Seahawk front office.
People seem to believe that the Seahawks are low balling Russell which is not true. Russell's agent seems to think he can change the way the NFL does contracts and wants the entire contract guaranteed.
NINEster":32u6xpub said:rideaducati":32u6xpub said:NINEster":32u6xpub said:rideaducati":32u6xpub said:The Alex Smith comparison is just plain dumb. Let me guess, you niner fans are also comparing Keeporpick to Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Manning...oh wait...http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/6/25/8 ... ent-greats
What a bunch of complete and utter garbage.
As far as Alex being better than Kaepernick? They both suck, so that is like saying colon cancer is better than liver cancer...they can both be pretty bad.
I think this season will show how good these 3 QBs really are. Once Wilson becomes a high teen/low 20 millionaire , the comparisons will be fair.
IMHO, Wilson is closer in talent to Kaepernick than you think. Def closer to him than a Rodgers, Brady, etc.
People forget 2012 and the 2013 NFCC so quickly.
Answer this:
Who had a better defense the last two years? SEA or SF?
Who was better RB? Lynch or Gore.
Which QB and RB ran more?
Which QB threw more?
If Wilson really is super elite, 20-25 APY is essentially the same. They wouldn't deny Rodgers, Peyton, Roethlisberger, etc that money if that's what it took.
But if he's perceived to be a rung below, that money will hurt the team.
Schneider and Allen will speak the unbiased truth. We're all just loudmouth spectators, but they cut the checks and take the heat for the team.
Niner fans were a bit stunned at how hard Baalke was with Smith in 2011-2012 offseason and Kap with his contract.
Most GMs are pretty damn neutral when it comes down to it.
Paying a QB only hurts a team that doesn't draft well or is paying money to a bad QB. $25 million/year for Russell is better use of money than Kaepernick at $17 million/year. Russell has already been offered over $21 million/year which would rank him THIRD highest paid QB in the league, so there is the perception of Russell from the Seahawk front office.
People seem to believe that the Seahawks are low balling Russell which is not true. Russell's agent seems to think he can change the way the NFL does contracts and wants the entire contract guaranteed.
I disagree with your first two sentences.
Even if I agreed 100%, I still don't think Wilson is worth it at $25 million.
And more importantly, you need to look at these contracts in context -- what are other players on the team getting. Cam could conceivably get $30 million for one year and it's no big deal because they have nobody else making big money on that team.
Zybot":gzjbda2x said:I didn't know where to put these thoughts, so I decided to stick them here. I am a Portland transplant living in Seattle. So, I follow the Blazers pretty closely (another Paul Allen owned team). The Blazers just lost their best player for nothing. The speculation amongst knowledgeable Blazer fans is that Paul Allen was behind the movement to not trade Aldridge 2 years ago, put pieces around him and hope that in the summer of 2015 Aldridge would be re-sign with the Blazers even though Aldridge was reluctant to sign an extension. Although it is a different situation (Wilson clearly wants to stay with the Seahawks if the money is equal), I wonder if this experience affects what Allen wants to do with Russell Wilson or how negotiations progress from here. Is Allen now gunshy? Does Allen want to take the chance of letting one of his best players (the QB of all things) bolt for compensatory picks? Or does Allen stick to his guns?
Truth is that it's hard to tell what role Allen had with Aldridge. But, after getting burned by Aldridge, I wonder if that affects Allen's thinking with Wilson. The fortunate thing for the Seahawks is that if we lose Wilson after the franchise tag, we still have a great team and it won't be the fire sale / dumpster fire that was the Blazers.Sgt. Largent":3kbloyzl said:I don't think Aldridge leaving the Blazers had anything to do with Allen.
IMO the Trailblazers are much like the M's, VERY hard to not only lure free agents, but keep their own stars.
This is especially true in the NBA, where it's all about the "brand." So players like Aldridge, like A-Rod and others that have left the M's for greener pastures and a higher profile market see very few reasons to stay in a small market tucked up in the NW corner of the US.
btw, Oregon being an income tax state doesn't help the Blazers one bit.
Zybot":7d0rsm24 said:Truth is that it's hard to tell what role Allen had with Aldridge. But, after getting burned by Aldridge, I wonder if that affects Allen's thinking with Wilson. The fortunate thing for the Seahawks is that if we lose Wilson after the franchise tag, we still have a great team and it won't be the fire sale / dumpster fire that was the Blazers.Sgt. Largent":7d0rsm24 said:I don't think Aldridge leaving the Blazers had anything to do with Allen.
IMO the Trailblazers are much like the M's, VERY hard to not only lure free agents, but keep their own stars.
This is especially true in the NBA, where it's all about the "brand." So players like Aldridge, like A-Rod and others that have left the M's for greener pastures and a higher profile market see very few reasons to stay in a small market tucked up in the NW corner of the US.
btw, Oregon being an income tax state doesn't help the Blazers one bit.
NINEster":28b2q1m3 said:rideaducati":28b2q1m3 said:NINEster":28b2q1m3 said:rideaducati":28b2q1m3 said:The Alex Smith comparison is just plain dumb. Let me guess, you niner fans are also comparing Keeporpick to Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Manning...oh wait...http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/6/25/8 ... ent-greats
What a bunch of complete and utter garbage.
As far as Alex being better than Kaepernick? They both suck, so that is like saying colon cancer is better than liver cancer...they can both be pretty bad.
I think this season will show how good these 3 QBs really are. Once Wilson becomes a high teen/low 20 millionaire , the comparisons will be fair.
IMHO, Wilson is closer in talent to Kaepernick than you think. Def closer to him than a Rodgers, Brady, etc.
People forget 2012 and the 2013 NFCC so quickly.
Answer this:
Who had a better defense the last two years? SEA or SF?
Who was better RB? Lynch or Gore.
Which QB and RB ran more?
Which QB threw more?
If Wilson really is super elite, 20-25 APY is essentially the same. They wouldn't deny Rodgers, Peyton, Roethlisberger, etc that money if that's what it took.
But if he's perceived to be a rung below, that money will hurt the team.
Schneider and Allen will speak the unbiased truth. We're all just loudmouth spectators, but they cut the checks and take the heat for the team.
Niner fans were a bit stunned at how hard Baalke was with Smith in 2011-2012 offseason and Kap with his contract.
Most GMs are pretty damn neutral when it comes down to it.
Paying a QB only hurts a team that doesn't draft well or is paying money to a bad QB. $25 million/year for Russell is better use of money than Kaepernick at $17 million/year. Russell has already been offered over $21 million/year which would rank him THIRD highest paid QB in the league, so there is the perception of Russell from the Seahawk front office.
People seem to believe that the Seahawks are low balling Russell which is not true. Russell's agent seems to think he can change the way the NFL does contracts and wants the entire contract guaranteed.
I disagree with your first two sentences.
Even if I agreed 100%, I still don't think Wilson is worth it at $25 million.
And more importantly, you need to look at these contracts in context -- what are other players on the team getting. Cam could conceivably get $30 million for one year and it's no big deal because they have nobody else making big money on that team.
Wilson making >= Cam is not a good deal from the Seattle cap situation. Maybe 2 years ago when Sherman, Chancellor were making peanuts, and Thomas was making peanuts for his ability....and Bobby Wagner.....I could say fine. But now all of those guys are paid, Bobby is coming soon. How much does Jimmy make? Will Bennett demand more?
I won't get into the QB debates except to say that you're a bit of a homer if you think Kap sucks and Wilson is worth whatever a top salary is worth. Your Hawks would have cruised to an NFC Champ victory in 2013 but instead it came down to the wire. And why? Because Kap gained over 100 on the ground when Gore and Hunter couldn't, then made a crazy TD pass that even Aaron Rodgers couldn't make against LOB.
Based on that game alone, a high stakes playoff game, Kap did more with less than Wilson did. Undeniable.
Maybe he lost the game for SF. But without him, it's another 23-3 drudging at the Link.
Basis4day":2cd8v3ni said:https://grantland.com/the-triangle/tip-o-the-salary-cap-what-to-do-about-russell-wilson/
Bill Barnwell at Grantland has a pretty good breakdown of both sides' arguments on Wilson's value.
It is also the opening topic on the Grantland NFL podcast:
https://grantland.com/the-triangle/the- ... d-mailbag/
That leaves little in the way of wriggle room for the rest of Seattle’s 2016 free-agent class. Irvin is as good as gone. Three-quarters of the team’s defensive tackle rotation — Brandon Mebane, Tony McDaniel, and Ahtyba Rubin — will be on the way out. The team will probably need to cut bait on veterans Steven Hauschka and Baldwin, which would combine to clear nearly $7 million in cap space. And incredibly named guard J.R. Sweezy is one of two starting offensive linemen whose contracts will be due, with the other lineman looming as a far more meaningful loss.
Okung’s six-year, $48.5 million rookie contract expires at the end of this season, and given the sheer amount of money Schneider is going to commit elsewhere over the next 12 months, there doesn’t appear to be much space left for paying the team’s Pro Bowl left tackle. It’s not a good sign for his future with the team that Okung hasn’t already signed an extension, and if he hits the free-agent market, Seattle will likely be priced out of a deal. The left tackle market is set to be relatively loaded, with Trent Williams, Nate Solder, Anthony Castonzo, and Andrew Whitworth due to become free agents, but too many teams need tackles to let Okung slip back to Seattle on a below-market deal.
My best guess is that the Seahawks can sign only two of their big three 2016 free agents to extensions. Of the three, they’re probably right to move on from Okung, even given the relative positional scarcity of a left tackle, because Okung hasn’t played at as dominant of a level as Wagner and is yet to complete a single 16-game season. I could even understand re-signing Okung and letting Wagner leave, given how much Seattle has already invested on the defensive side and how frequently quality middle linebackers can fall to the second and third rounds on draft day. With Wilson, though, both sides simply have too much to lose by parting ways.