Could Kap be our back up?

[SantaClaraHawk]

If that's true about Geno it'll become apparent in camp.

I mean, why not kick the tires?

 

[Donn2390]

I find Pete's interview a little disingenuous because on one hand he's talking about how great Kaep was in 2017-18 and how he wished he'd had a role, but now it's that Geno "really does things we like" and they're good football wise. Serious question, has Geno played a single down for us? His team didn't advance when he was the starter with the Jets.

Part of being a good coach and a good leader is also being a good politician. in order to keep peace you say what is popular, not what you necessarily believe. Team unity is vitally important to field a successful team. Smile, say nice things, don't make waves, and go play football. I'm seeing that example being played out throughout the league and beyond.
Mr Kap will not be back, not only will no one want him, he will not subject himself to failure and ridicule, a very real possibility. JMHO

 

[hawk45]

We already brought Kaep in for a look at the backup spot. He wasn't interested in backup QB salary and then named us in his lawsuit.

Nothing has changed since then and this remains a political discussion rather than a football discussion.

This post should end the discussion.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

We already brought Kaep in for a look at the backup spot. He wasn't interested in backup QB salary and then named us in his lawsuit.

Nothing has changed since then and this remains a political discussion rather than a football discussion.

This post should end the discussion.

One thing that the whole anthem situation and the pandemic situation has informed is that politics, like public health, bleeds into sports. It always is a melting pot. The City of Santa Clara and the 49ers have been warring about politics for years and it has been discussed without "politics! warning" for years.

The other thing is that that even if informed by politics, this remains a football discussion. Let's face it that Geno's nowhere near a Bridgewater. He's just another meh starter from 2016 that unlike Kaep never did anything with his team. The one thing he does have is that he has been on a team consistently even though he hasn't thrown since 2018.

The cost to bring in Kaep for a tryout would be basically airfare, hotel and whatever stipend if anything is normally offered in these situations.

 

[CPHawk]

I'm not convinced Kaep wants to be a backup. I've always felt he wants paid bigger money, and a real shot as a starter.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I'm not convinced Kaep wants to be a backup. I've always felt he wants paid bigger money, and a real shot as a starter.

There is no way to know if Kaep wants to be a backup or take vet min until someone invites him. It bothers me that everyone's saying "someone" should take a chance, but then find reasons why that "someone" shouldn't be them.

The concern is that Kaep and/or his GF could make the backup role and the salary that comes with it a racial issue. In which case, frankly, they would be laughed off. It is normal for men who last started in the 2016 season to be paid at the low-end, and the only way that changes is if said men perform at a high level when brought in as relief. Most do not, so they keep playing for low-end salaries.

 

[Rat]

I'm not convinced Kaep wants to be a backup. I've always felt he wants paid bigger money, and a real shot as a starter.

There is no way to know if Kaep wants to be a backup or take vet min until someone invites him. It bothers me that everyone's saying "someone" should take a chance, but then find reasons why that "someone" shouldn't be them.

I get that, but I find it strange that basically nothing has been reported on his starter/backup preference or what kind of contract he’s seeking. He doesn’t have to be worked out or offered something to know that. Clowney hasn’t had a workout, but there have been frequent stories about his financial demands. It seems unlikely that nobody has at least contacted his agent and inquired into what he’s looking for.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Even better! I believe his agent is Dean Rosenhaus. Most teams have his number. A call costs nothing. $10M isn't doable now. $1M is going to be a stretch. That is what the market is for anyone in his situation and that's not racial. They can make a simple phone call (which costs nothing) or bring him in for a visit if they like the terms in the call, and sign him to compete in camp if they like the results of the visit.

They are not however going to even make the phone call if they are scared that Kaep, or his mouthpiece GF, is going to start accusing them of racism right off the bat.

There won't be any talk about whether he sits or stands now. If he wants to play, he has to realize the fact that you don't trash someone who might be sniffing at you for a job.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

From the NYT:

Recognizing Kaepernick is seemingly the only concrete action that has widespread agreement among players. With momentum built, less fear of reprisal from owners, the league or fans, and an unusual amount of time away from the field because of stay-at-home restrictions, players want to get more involved in societal change. The only question is: What’s next?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/th ... r-BB15ojv1

 

[Lords of Scythia]

He'd be a rock star at CHOP.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Florio might agree with you Lords.

From PFT today:

Publicly stating that he encourages a team to sign Kaepernick and privately twisting arms to get him signed are two different things. Backroom deals, as previously mentioned, happen all the time. If the league and/or Goodell truly wanted Kaepernick on a team, it already would be done.

Maybe a nudge from Goodell isn’t needed. Maybe it’s just a matter of time before a team realizes that there’s an actual business benefit, both from a football and a non-football perspective, to having Kaepernick on the roster. He’s better than plenty of backup quarterbacks, he instantly would have the highest-selling jersey in all of sports, the team that signs him would immediately gain a national following, and the coach, executive, and/or owner who makes it happen would be regarded as a modern-day Branch Rickey.

Maybe Goodell is, for now, giving the teams a chance to figure that out on their own. If they don’t, it wouldn’t be difficult for Goodell to get one of the NFL’s 32 teams to take one for the team, especially since there are plenty of things that could be promised to that team by the league office in order to get the deal done.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... aepernick/

 

[HawkRiderFan]

One problem for a team signing Kap now is you are pressured to keep him no matter what. Even if he doesn’t perform imagine the backlash if you release him.
Am I not remembering correctly or didn’t Denver offer him a contract a couple of yrs ago and he declined.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

One problem for a team signing Kap now is you are pressured to keep him no matter what. Even if he doesn’t perform imagine the backlash if you release him.
Am I not remembering correctly or didn’t Denver offer him a contract a couple of yrs ago and he declined.

The 49ers tried to trade him to the Broncos in 2015. They had him out and decided that what he wanted as a starter wasn't worth it.

As far as pressure, well the Rams took Michael Sam in the draft. He was cut by the end of camp and went to DAL to be on their practice squad. That didn't work out either. No one said either release had anything to do with his orientation.

 

[Donn2390]

One problem for a team signing Kap now is you are pressured to keep him no matter what. Even if he doesn’t perform imagine the backlash if you release him.
Am I not remembering correctly or didn’t Denver offer him a contract a couple of yrs ago and he declined.

This exactly the reason kap won't be signing anywhere. he better than any of us realize the very real possibility that he can't make a roster and would be completely humiliated. Get more notoriety , better pay, notoriety being a trouble maker, and it keeps his g/f happy, the one who leads him around by the nose.

 

[hawk45]

We already brought Kaep in for a look at the backup spot. He wasn't interested in backup QB salary and then named us in his lawsuit.

Nothing has changed since then and this remains a political discussion rather than a football discussion.

This post should end the discussion.

One thing that the whole anthem situation and the pandemic situation has informed is that politics, like public health, bleeds into sports. It always is a melting pot. The City of Santa Clara and the 49ers have been warring about politics for years and it has been discussed without "politics! warning" for years.

The other thing is that that even if informed by politics, this remains a football discussion. Let's face it that Geno's nowhere near a Bridgewater. He's just another meh starter from 2016 that unlike Kaep never did anything with his team. The one thing he does have is that he has been on a team consistently even though he hasn't thrown since 2018.

The cost to bring in Kaep for a tryout would be basically airfare, hotel and whatever stipend if anything is normally offered in these situations.

Yes but what is your response to the fact that the one team that tried him out ended up named in his lawsuit? Why would any team sign up for that, let alone our team who was burned?
If he wanted to play he wouldn’t have named the hawks, no?

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

We already brought Kaep in for a look at the backup spot. He wasn't interested in backup QB salary and then named us in his lawsuit.

Nothing has changed since then and this remains a political discussion rather than a football discussion.

This post should end the discussion.

One thing that the whole anthem situation and the pandemic situation has informed is that politics, like public health, bleeds into sports. It always is a melting pot. The City of Santa Clara and the 49ers have been warring about politics for years and it has been discussed without "politics! warning" for years.

The other thing is that that even if informed by politics, this remains a football discussion. Let's face it that Geno's nowhere near a Bridgewater. He's just another meh starter from 2016 that unlike Kaep never did anything with his team. The one thing he does have is that he has been on a team consistently even though he hasn't thrown since 2018.

The cost to bring in Kaep for a tryout would be basically airfare, hotel and whatever stipend if anything is normally offered in these situations.

Yes but what is your response to the fact that the one team that tried him out ended up named in his lawsuit? Why would any team sign up for that, let alone our team who was burned?
If he wanted to play he wouldn’t have named the hawks, no?

First, the 49ers are the only team who released that starter because of things that routinely happen when teams get nervous about said starters. The relationship was on its way out over a protracted of time. They brought in at least two rotations of QB whisperers and HCs to try to resurrect Kaep into what they envisioned.

But that happens with people around the league. Player-team relations regularly burn out for whatever reason after both sides tried and that player ends up moving on, usually to another team. It's not like we are in the position of the 49ers either with their backup QB room consisting of players who played QB for them in an actual game for them. We have a backup who has never done that, and as his backup we have a UDFA who may but probably not do anything in camp.

PC is implying heavily in recent interviews that the 2017-18 Hawk discussions fell apart over Kaep's want to be a starter and/or get paid starter money. Moreover, PC said he was very impressed with him from seeing him at that time. There would be no QB competition or starter talk at this time.

 

[bigskydoc]

The 49ers tried to trade him to the Broncos in 2015. They had him out and decided that what he wanted as a starter wasn't worth it.
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In retrospect, not one of their better decisions, and they have had a string of truly awful decisions at QB.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

So from Florio...

The team’s entire flirtation with Kaepernick remains odd. In 2017, he was too good to sign. In 2018, he needed a workout before he could be signed. The truth may be (is) that, in 2017, the organization was concerned that some of the players who were on the roster at the time would be inclined to agitate for Kaepernick to replace Russell Wilson as the starter. By 2018, the organization made a hard pivot toward clearing out any remaining anti-Russell players, which would have made it easier to avoid a schism over whether Wilson or Kaepernick should play, if Kaepernick had been signed to serve as Wilson’s No. 2.

Even now, Kaepernick clearly would be an upgrade over Geno Smith as the backup to Wilson. Kaepernick also would be better than the current backup (and/or a better fit as the starter’s understudy) in places like Buffalo, New England, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Houston, Jacksonville, Tennessee, L.A. (Chargers and Rams), Denver, Kansas City, Washington, Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, Atlanta, Carolina, and Arizona.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... to-action/

 

[chris98251]

So from Florio...

The team’s entire flirtation with Kaepernick remains odd. In 2017, he was too good to sign. In 2018, he needed a workout before he could be signed. The truth may be (is) that, in 2017, the organization was concerned that some of the players who were on the roster at the time would be inclined to agitate for Kaepernick to replace Russell Wilson as the starter. By 2018, the organization made a hard pivot toward clearing out any remaining anti-Russell players, which would have made it easier to avoid a schism over whether Wilson or Kaepernick should play, if Kaepernick had been signed to serve as Wilson’s No. 2.

Even now, Kaepernick clearly would be an upgrade over Geno Smith as the backup to Wilson. Kaepernick also would be better than the current backup (and/or a better fit as the starter’s understudy) in places like Buffalo, New England, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Houston, Jacksonville, Tennessee, L.A. (Chargers and Rams), Denver, Kansas City, Washington, Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, Atlanta, Carolina, and Arizona.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... to-action/

Geno's skill and or arm may not be what Kaeps is, his head is better or at least based on stories about his study habits, Wilson has stated that his film room observations are great, a Back up is more then on the field.

Saying that cost, and giving Kaep a chance is worth while, but the obligation to sign him to the roster is going to be high due to politics.

 

[hawk45]

This post should end the discussion.

One thing that the whole anthem situation and the pandemic situation has informed is that politics, like public health, bleeds into sports. It always is a melting pot. The City of Santa Clara and the 49ers have been warring about politics for years and it has been discussed without "politics! warning" for years.

The other thing is that that even if informed by politics, this remains a football discussion. Let's face it that Geno's nowhere near a Bridgewater. He's just another meh starter from 2016 that unlike Kaep never did anything with his team. The one thing he does have is that he has been on a team consistently even though he hasn't thrown since 2018.

The cost to bring in Kaep for a tryout would be basically airfare, hotel and whatever stipend if anything is normally offered in these situations.

Yes but what is your response to the fact that the one team that tried him out ended up named in his lawsuit? Why would any team sign up for that, let alone our team who was burned?
If he wanted to play he wouldn’t have named the hawks, no?

First, the 49ers are the only team who released that starter because of things that routinely happen when teams get nervous about said starters. The relationship was on its way out over a protracted of time. They brought in at least two rotations of QB whisperers and HCs to try to resurrect Kaep into what they envisioned.

But that happens with people around the league. Player-team relations regularly burn out for whatever reason after both sides tried and that player ends up moving on, usually to another team. It's not like we are in the position of the 49ers either with their backup QB room consisting of players who played QB for them in an actual game for them. We have a backup who has never done that, and as his backup we have a UDFA who may but probably not do anything in camp.

PC is implying heavily in recent interviews that the 2017-18 Hawk discussions fell apart over Kaep's want to be a starter and/or get paid starter money. Moreover, PC said he was very impressed with him from seeing him at that time. There would be no QB competition or starter talk at this time.

Right, good points all round, but I missed where you addressed how, when the 2017 discussions fell apart over a very reasonable disagreement over starter money, a good faith disagreement, that Kaep named the Seahawks in his lawsuit, a bad faith act given that Pete went out of his way to offer a reasonable salary.

You must agree that Pete has likely learned that unless he pays Kaep starter money, any attempt to deal with him carries a not-insignificant risk of exposing the team to a lawsuit, based on past events.

In which case, do you expect the team to put their hand on the same stove again?