Deflategate basically over after today's press conf

[SalishHawkFan]

Pats called a pc today. Belichick detailed a series of experiments the team performed the past couple of days. The main news was that the prepping/rubbing of the footballs, which occurs just prior to turning them over the ref for measurement, causes the psi to go up by 1 full psi. So if they do that and turn it over the ref at 12.5 psi, after a while of sitting, the balls will lose that 1 psi down to 11.5. The diff in temps from indoors to outdoors accounts for additional .5 psi change. So the psi went down in their experiments by a total of 1.5 psi. They were able to duplicate this for multiple footballs.

Very convincing, and I'm sure they documented the crap out of everything they did. It's over, the league will have to back off, though I won't hold my breath for the apology they owe.

So basically Belichick described HOW they cheated and got away with it and that's supposed to be the end of it?

 

[vonstout]

The Pats have been on a historic very low fumble rate since 2007, the year the NFL allowed visiting teams to provide their own balls. I feel pretty confident attributing that the the way they "prepare" their footballs.

In the SB, the first time a Pats player has a drop or fumble, guess what every Pat, from the ballboy to the owner, will be thinking now? Wish we didn't have to play with these fully inflated balls!

This is one of those things that can go either way. The Patriots can now be concerned with running with heaver balls, and Seattle maybe thinks that if they get in there and try to punch that ball out, they can get some turnovers. Both ways of thinking can surely get you out of fundamentals. I can't even count how many times I see guys trying to punch a ball, when if they just went for the tackle, they would have either saved a first down or at least held the runner on yardage.

I've been to Patriots training camp before, and I can attest to Belichicks claim they practice with less than average balls. I remember players coming over after catches to sign autographs, and those footballs certainly looked like they went through the ringer.

The Seahswks tackle better than any team in the league. I don't think we will change our style of play.

 

[bigskydoc]

Bonus points for first person to correctly state that molecule Bill is holding!

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[Foghawk]

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[furi0usbee]

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I think that's it! Congrats.

 

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The NFL said refs checked inflation level of balls, but did they check what it was inflated with?

 

[WilsonMVP]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/24/belichick-now-has-the-ammunition-to-get-his-team-ready-to-beat-seattle/

Just thought I would put this here, interesting take from the league official they talk to.

Don't like where things are headed.

You're unbelievable.

I know I am, thanks for noticing

But, honestly do you not think this is fueling the Pats? I sure do, when we had guys getting suspended for whatever it was they took and people were calling us cheaters it brought the team together and they were able to brush it aside and pull off multiple wins. The us against the world mentality this is giving the Pats does matter.

This is the superbowl. If they needed this to motivate them they probably dont belong in the game to begin with

 

[BillBelichick]

The Pats have been on a historic very low fumble rate since 2007, the year the NFL allowed visiting teams to provide their own balls. I feel pretty confident attributing that the the way they "prepare" their footballs.

In the SB, the first time a Pats player has a drop or fumble, guess what every Pat, from the ballboy to the owner, will be thinking now? Wish we didn't have to play with these fully inflated balls!

This is one of those things that can go either way. The Patriots can now be concerned with running with heaver balls, and Seattle maybe thinks that if they get in there and try to punch that ball out, they can get some turnovers. Both ways of thinking can surely get you out of fundamentals. I can't even count how many times I see guys trying to punch a ball, when if they just went for the tackle, they would have either saved a first down or at least held the runner on yardage.

I've been to Patriots training camp before, and I can attest to Belichicks claim they practice with less than average balls. I remember players coming over after catches to sign autographs, and those footballs certainly looked like they went through the ringer.

That is not unique, I know there is a temptation to think that Bill is coaching guys better than everyone else, but prior to the rule change in 2007, the Pats were a league average team at putting the ball on the ground. I doubt bill started coaching ball security just in 2007, and I doubt he started using shitty balls to practice with on that date either.

Once again. 2007, teams provide own balls, Pats go from league average to best ever at avoiding fumbles. Them, and only them.

BTW, the balls will not really be heavier. Just a bit bouncier.

That's a new one...usually we get the "Pats have sucked since they got caught in 2007" argument.

Seems like someones always manufacturing some excuse for why we win...

 

[hawknation2015]

His excuse is that they handed over a ball that was at least one psi below specification . . . but that it wasn't detected because of the way they squeeze and rub the balls. He is admitting a certain level of recklessness if not an intent to cheat.

However, I am betting it goes way beyond this.

 

[BillBelichick]

His excuse is that they handed over a ball that was at least one psi below specification . . . but that it wasn't detected because of the way they squeeze and rub the balls. He is admitting a certain level of recklessness if not an intent to cheat.

However, I am betting it goes way beyond this.

He, like you, me, and everyone else had no idea that prepping the balls, which everyone does and is fully accepted, would affect the PSI of the balls. If that's "wreckless," then any NFL QB who preps their balls is "wreckless."

He's laying it all out honestly and telling everyone what the outcomes of the research he's been wasting his time doing for this witchhunt.

Do you really believe only the Patriots prep their game balls? Just this year Aaron Rodgers openly admitted that part of his "prepping" process was trying to "sneak in" over-inflated balls. Is there a thread about him?

 

[kf3339]

Pats called a pc today. Belichick detailed a series of experiments the team performed the past couple of days. The main news was that the prepping/rubbing of the footballs, which occurs just prior to turning them over the ref for measurement, causes the psi to go up by 1 full psi. So if they do that and turn it over the ref at 12.5 psi, after a while of sitting, the balls will lose that 1 psi down to 11.5. The diff in temps from indoors to outdoors accounts for additional .5 psi change. So the psi went down in their experiments by a total of 1.5 psi. They were able to duplicate this for multiple footballs.

Very convincing, and I'm sure they documented the crap out of everything they did. It's over, the league will have to back off, though I won't hold my breath for the apology they owe.

I will be glad when the game is over, we stomp your ass and we don't have to read any new threads from dimwits like you.

 

[Scottemojo]

The Pats have been on a historic very low fumble rate since 2007, the year the NFL allowed visiting teams to provide their own balls. I feel pretty confident attributing that the the way they "prepare" their footballs.

In the SB, the first time a Pats player has a drop or fumble, guess what every Pat, from the ballboy to the owner, will be thinking now? Wish we didn't have to play with these fully inflated balls!

This is one of those things that can go either way. The Patriots can now be concerned with running with heaver balls, and Seattle maybe thinks that if they get in there and try to punch that ball out, they can get some turnovers. Both ways of thinking can surely get you out of fundamentals. I can't even count how many times I see guys trying to punch a ball, when if they just went for the tackle, they would have either saved a first down or at least held the runner on yardage.

I've been to Patriots training camp before, and I can attest to Belichicks claim they practice with less than average balls. I remember players coming over after catches to sign autographs, and those footballs certainly looked like they went through the ringer.

That is not unique, I know there is a temptation to think that Bill is coaching guys better than everyone else, but prior to the rule change in 2007, the Pats were a league average team at putting the ball on the ground. I doubt bill started coaching ball security just in 2007, and I doubt he started using shitty balls to practice with on that date either.

Once again. 2007, teams provide own balls, Pats go from league average to best ever at avoiding fumbles. Them, and only them.

BTW, the balls will not really be heavier. Just a bit bouncier.

That's a new one...usually we get the "Pats have sucked since they got caught in 2007" argument.

Seems like someones always manufacturing some excuse for why we win...

You win because you have a good team. And that it what makes cheating so damn stupid.

 

[CodeWarrior]

Patriots are cheaters. Shame their presence has to ruin the super bowl. Zero respect for that franchise.

 

[BillBelichick]

So basically Belichick described HOW they cheated and got away with it and that's supposed to be the end of it?

It is.

Obviously they played with the rules... they cheated, any smart person knows it. His story doesn't hold weight because of that one ball that they saved inflated for the kicker, but that's going to get buried, everyone is on the "rah rah rah" Patriots bandwagon now - all these reporters that were ready with tar and feathers yesterday are all "wow he is so impressive!" today. The sheeples are about as stupid as it gets, and this is why I hated that it was being blown up the way it was.

It gave them an opportunity to "rally".

Now it doesn't matter if they cheated or not, Bill won the court of public opinion where it counts, Patriots have the players union is on their side, quite a bit of the east coast press, and they're rallying around Brady. Meanwhile, Lynch is a villain for not talking and for wearing the wrong shoes - no help from the players union there, hey? It's all about their chosen ones - it's all about the east coast in this country.

You thought the Jerome Bettis victory parade was a farce? It will be NOTHING compared to the narrative about crowning Brady the greatest ever this week.

Bellicheck also rallied and galvanized all Patriots fans... even more than that his team. They are all in. Reports from insiders say the Patriots are in "all out war" mentality.

This all played out perfectly for the Patriots. It went from being a distraction to a war cry.

They are going to be practically invincible next Sunday. Gonna require a miracle better than what we conjured against Green Bay to beat them now.

The whole thing pisses me off. Each time I think I could never despise the media more, they go and pull new shenanigans out of their asses.

Man you guys just love manufacturing the "us against the world" scenarios, don't you?

Kickers have separate balls. All of the Patriot's balls were under-inflated.

Earlier on in the week I was told on this forum that if that Patriot's had to use bulletin board material, then they've "already lost," yet the Seahawks players and fanbase seem to be masterful at manufacturing this "us against the world" mentality.

Do you guys honestly believe that everyone underestimates you?

 

[hawknation2015]

His excuse is that they handed over a ball that was at least one psi below specification . . . but that it wasn't detected because of the way they squeeze and rub the balls. He is admitting a certain level of recklessness if not an intent to cheat.

However, I am betting it goes way beyond this.

He, like you, me, and everyone else had no idea that prepping the balls, which everyone does and is fully accepted, would affect the PSI of the balls. If that's "wreckless," then any NFL QB who preps their balls is "wreckless."

He's laying it all out honestly and telling everyone what the outcomes of the research he's been wasting his time doing for this witchhunt.

Do you really believe only the Patriots prep their game balls? Just this year Aaron Rodgers openly admitted that part of his "prepping" process was trying to "sneak in" over-inflated balls. Is there a thread about him?

Rodgers admitted cheating does not justify your cheating.

The fact is the balls should be measured before they are "prepped" to ensure that they are actually in compliance. And that is to assume that anything Belichick has said is to be believed. It would be an amazing coincidence that the prepping was enough to raise the psi of the balls to exactly 12.5. As we saw with Spygate, his word should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[bigskydoc]

Am I the only one who noticed how remarkably BB's narrative contrasted to TB's?

Bill says they are "preparing" the ball surface right up to the moment they hand the balls off to the officials, and that "preparation" is enough to raise the pressure in the balls by a full PSI.

However, you had Brady saying this in his press conference.

I have a process that I go through before every game where I go in and I pick the footballs that I want to use for the game. Our equipment guys do a great job of breaking the balls in. they have a process that they go through. When I pick those balls out, at that point to me they’re perfect. I don’t want anyone touching the balls after that. I don’t want anyone rubbing them, putting any air in them, taking any air out. To me those balls are perfect and that’s what I expect when I show up on the field.

Yeah. It’s always the same process... I got here pretty early before the games. Then I go in there and I choose however many balls are necessary for the games... I felt them. They were perfect. I wouldn’t want anyone touching those. I would zip those things up and lock them away until I got out on the field and an opportunity to play with them. That’s what I thought I was doing.

That is a pretty big contrast.

The question the press failed to ask and I want to know the answer to is, "How long, after the "preparing" of the ball does this 1 PSI elevation persist?" That is a critical question that needs to be answered before we buy any of the story that BB is selling.

I would be shocked if the pressure increase lasted more than 5 min before starting to taper off.

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[rideaducati]

Belichick is used to the local Boston media. I'm positive they all buy this explanation because of their cumulative IQ, but the rest of the nation knows this is TOTAL BS. I can't believe that Belichick thinks EVERYONE IN THE WORLD is this dumb.

 

[BillBelichick]

Belichick is used to the local Boston media. I'm positive they all buy this explanation because of their cumulative IQ, but the rest of the nation knows this is TOTAL BS. I can't believe that Belichick thinks EVERYONE IN THE WORLD is this dumb.

It would be a dream if there was only local Boston media camped out at Gillette this week.

 

[50yrpatsfan]

Belichick is used to the local Boston media. I'm positive they all buy this explanation because of their cumulative IQ, but the rest of the nation knows this is TOTAL BS. I can't believe that Belichick thinks EVERYONE IN THE WORLD is this dumb.

Well it's easy if the rest of the world actually IS that dumb to believe these total freakin ESPN jackasses like Brunell and Bettis, who were both beaten by the Patriots multiple times in big games.

You've been had, face it. There was no wrongdoing, sorry that ruins your day.

Unfortunately for the Hawks, they're going to have to pay the price for this. NE will have laser focus for this one.

 

[BillBelichick]

His excuse is that they handed over a ball that was at least one psi below specification . . . but that it wasn't detected because of the way they squeeze and rub the balls. He is admitting a certain level of recklessness if not an intent to cheat.

However, I am betting it goes way beyond this.

He, like you, me, and everyone else had no idea that prepping the balls, which everyone does and is fully accepted, would affect the PSI of the balls. If that's "wreckless," then any NFL QB who preps their balls is "wreckless."

He's laying it all out honestly and telling everyone what the outcomes of the research he's been wasting his time doing for this witchhunt.

Do you really believe only the Patriots prep their game balls? Just this year Aaron Rodgers openly admitted that part of his "prepping" process was trying to "sneak in" over-inflated balls. Is there a thread about him?

Rodgers admitted cheating does not justify your cheating.

The fact is the balls should be measured before they are "prepped" to ensure that they are actually in compliance. And that is to assume that anything Belichick has said is to be believed. It would be an amazing coincidence that the prepping was enough to raise the psi of the balls to exactly 12.5. As we saw with Spygate, his word should be taken with a grain of salt.

Is prepping game balls cheating?