Everyone says how the Bengals O-line is worst than the Seaha

[John63]

Excellent post. Agree 100%

Our OL provided Wilson with above average pocket time, sure was more than Big Ben, Rodgers, and Brady. But Wilson suffered the highest QB pressure. Easy translation, our QB didn't rid the ball like the Brady bunch. Some said Big Ben, Rodgers and Brady will suffer playing with our OL, may be, but may be our OL could also rank higher protecting the Brady bunch.

Except they did not provide above avg pocket them as has been shown. The provided 2.4 seconds that is below an avg oline.

Big Ben had 2.1 sec
Brady and Rodgers but less than 2.4

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Good for them, does not change the FACT that our oline is below avg. Oh by the way mahomes same as Wilsons. Also fyi the number is time to throw or pressure. So that means any Qb who is less than Wilson's time is also means they are getting pressured quicker as well.

 

[olyfan63]

LOL yeah what 4 yar completion there was none even the announcers said it. Let's forget the defense could not hold a 7 point lead with under 4 minutes to go or the 2 points conversion. Or the holding penalties, false start making it harder, Oh and by the way, the sack happened when we had a 7 point lead.

So basically forget the defense giving up the lead with under 2 minutes
forget the holding and false start
Forget the missed FG
the only thing in your mind that matters is a sack, that happened when we still had the lead.

Fyi no one was open at all they were all covered. I just rewachted

Again we had a 7 point lead with under 4 minutes, but you want to blame Wilson because the defense could not stop the other team not just from scoring but also a 2 point conversion. either stop we win. and they both happened way after the sack.

Apparently you're too blind to see DJ Dallas right there in the middle of the field for an EZ 5-yarder. Wilson looked at it and turned up his nose. Yes, defender behind Dallas but good QBs complete that throw all the time to RBs and TEs by placing ball where only their guy has a shot. Yes, Dallas has to catch it and break a tackle to get the first down. Instead Russell bailed out into a 15 yard sack.

How does $35M Russell not realize all the team needs is a FG to go up 2 scores? Brain dead hero ball. No situational awareness. Even an incomplete is a positive play in that situation. OK, resume your blind faith Wilson hero worship. Anything to protect your hero from legit criticism.

If it makes you feel any better, Matt Ryan and Kyle Shanahan had a similar brain meltdown in the 28-3 Super Bowl, where Ryan took a sack he just couldn't take, wiped out a legit FG opportunity.

 

[John63]

LOL yeah what 4 yar completion there was none even the announcers said it. Let's forget the defense could not hold a 7 point lead with under 4 minutes to go or the 2 points conversion. Or the holding penalties, false start making it harder, Oh and by the way, the sack happened when we had a 7 point lead.

So basically forget the defense giving up the lead with under 2 minutes
forget the holding and false start
Forget the missed FG
the only thing in your mind that matters is a sack, that happened when we still had the lead.

Fyi no one was open at all they were all covered. I just rewachted

Again we had a 7 point lead with under 4 minutes, but you want to blame Wilson because the defense could not stop the other team not just from scoring but also a 2 point conversion. either stop we win. and they both happened way after the sack.

Apparently you're too blind to see DJ Dallas right there in the middle of the field for an EZ 5-yarder. Wilson looked at it and turned up his nose. Yes, defender behind Dallas but good QBs complete that throw all the time to RBs and TEs by placing ball where only their guy has a shot. Yes, Dallas has to catch it and break a tackle to get the first down. Instead Russell bailed out into a 15 yard sack.

How does $35M Russell not realize all the team needs is a FG to go up 2 scores? Brain dead hero ball. No situational awareness. Even an incomplete is a positive play in that situation. OK, resume your blind faith Wilson hero worship. Anything to protect your hero from legit criticism.

If it makes you feel any better, Matt Ryan and Kyle Shanahan had a similar brain meltdown in the 28-3 Super Bowl, where Ryan took a sack he just couldn't take, wiped out a legit FG opportunity.

No I saw him and the LB right behind him maybe your to blind to see that

 

[John63]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2021-offensive-line-rankings

25. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (DOWN 1)
LT Duane Brown | 72.0
LG Damien Lewis | 57.7
C Ethan Pocic | 68.0
RG Gabe Jackson | 63.6
RT Brandon Shell | 67.6

Seattle’s offensive line just can’t find a way to get out of its rut, and if anything is going to convince quarterback Russell Wilson that maybe the grass is greener somewhere else, it may be that. Duane Brown has been the unit's best player since the team traded for him in 2017, but he just posted his lowest PFF grade (72.0) since he was a rookie. Wilson was under pressure on 37.0% of his dropbacks this season, one of the higher marks in the league.

Enough said

 

[Maelstrom787]

Our OL provided Wilson with above average pocket time, sure was more than Big Ben, Rodgers, and Brady. But Wilson suffered the highest QB pressure. Easy translation, our QB didn't rid the ball like the Brady bunch. Some said Big Ben, Rodgers and Brady will suffer playing with our OL, may be, but may be our OL could also rank higher protecting the Brady bunch.

Except they did not provide above avg pocket them as has been shown. The provided 2.4 seconds that is below an avg oline.

Big Ben had 2.1 sec
Brady and Rodgers but less than 2.4

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Good for them, does not change the FACT that our oline is below avg. Oh by the way mahomes same as Wilsons. Also fyi the number is time to throw or pressure. So that means any Qb who is less than Wilson's time is also means they are getting pressured quicker as well.

Mahomes has the same as Wilson, yet Mahomes has likely the best line in the NFL.

Kinda sounds like your stat is bullshit and doesn't mean what you think it does, huh?

 

[Maelstrom787]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2021-offensive-line-rankings

25. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (DOWN 1)
LT Duane Brown | 72.0
LG Damien Lewis | 57.7
C Ethan Pocic | 68.0
RG Gabe Jackson | 63.6
RT Brandon Shell | 67.6

Seattle’s offensive line just can’t find a way to get out of its rut, and if anything is going to convince quarterback Russell Wilson that maybe the grass is greener somewhere else, it may be that. Duane Brown has been the unit's best player since the team traded for him in 2017, but he just posted his lowest PFF grade (72.0) since he was a rookie. Wilson was under pressure on 37.0% of his dropbacks this season, one of the higher marks in the league.

Enough said

You place implicit trust in PFF's OL grading, yet must not trust it too much considering they rank Mahomes line as insanely good yet your holy grail TTT/TTP stat puts Mahomes and Wilson in the same tier.

Hmm. Sounds like you don't know who to trust and are just throwing out several stats that, in a vacuum, support your fleeting and vague contentions despite the fact that they all contradict each other to varying degrees.

Hmm.

 

[Ad Hawk]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2021-offensive-line-rankings

25. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (DOWN 1)
LT Duane Brown | 72.0
LG Damien Lewis | 57.7
C Ethan Pocic | 68.0
RG Gabe Jackson | 63.6
RT Brandon Shell | 67.6

Seattle’s offensive line just can’t find a way to get out of its rut, and if anything is going to convince quarterback Russell Wilson that maybe the grass is greener somewhere else, it may be that. Duane Brown has been the unit's best player since the team traded for him in 2017, but he just posted his lowest PFF grade (72.0) since he was a rookie. Wilson was under pressure on 37.0% of his dropbacks this season, one of the higher marks in the league.

Enough said

You place implicit trust in PFF's OL grading, yet must not trust it too much considering they rank Mahomes line as insanely good yet your holy grail TTT/TTP stat puts Mahomes and Wilson in the same tier.

Hmm. Sounds like you don't know who to trust and are just throwing out several stats that, in a vacuum, support your fleeting and vague contentions despite the fact that they all contradict each other to varying degrees.

Hmm.

You forgot to add the arrogant and conversation-ending phrase, "enough said."

 

[John63]

oh and again 2.4 seconds an avg oline should handle 2.5

 

[Maelstrom787]

oh and again 2.4 seconds an avg oline should handle 2.5

Patrick Mahomes has the best pass blocking line in the league, but you said he's also at 2.4.

Enough said.

Your. Stat. Does. Not. Mean. What. You. Think. It. Means.

 

[toffee]

oh and again 2.4 seconds an avg oline should handle 2.5

Most of not all top QBs had less than 2.4sec and yet suffered LESS QB pressure.

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[John63]

oh and again 2.4 seconds an avg oline should handle 2.5 we are below avg

 

[Maelstrom787]

oh and again 2.4 seconds an avg oline should handle 2.5 we are below avg

I've never seen someone so aggressively committed to not understanding what they're talking about.

 

[John63]

oh and again 2.4 seconds an avg oline should handle 2.5 we are below avg

I've never seen someone so aggressively committed to not understanding what they're talking about.

oh you're looking in the mirror, got it. If it helps I agree with you, you don't understand what your talking about.

 

[HawkOG70’]

Hawk fans need to stop pumping up Stone Forsythe he’s a slow, cumbersome idiot that gets beat by practice squad material. Hopefully he gets cut this offseason so we can make room for an upgrade. Need to cut Brown and get a better left tackle period. Free agency is Tunsil available?

 

[Maelstrom787]

oh and again 2.4 seconds an avg oline should handle 2.5 we are below avg

I've never seen someone so aggressively committed to not understanding what they're talking about.

oh you're looking in the mirror, got it. If it helps I agree with you, you don't understand what your talking about.

Yeah, okay. Says the guy claiming that Kansas City has a below average offensive line.

You've dug yourself ass backwards into a deep hole, my friend. Your faulty logic has gotten you to the point where you now, logically, have to make the contention that their line is below average because of Patrick Mahomes sitting at 2.4.

By all means. I await this.

 

[John63]

oh and again 2.4 seconds an avg oline should handle 2.5 we are below avg

 

[Maelstrom787]

oh and again 2.4 seconds an avg oline should handle 2.5 we are below avg

So you are saying that Kansas City has a below average pass blocking offensive line.

 

[Throwdown]

Anything to absolve his favorite player from blame, it’s sad.

 

[John63]

Anything to absolve his favorite player from blame, it’s sad.

Yes its sad that the truth and facts show the oline is below avg but some here cant see it.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Anything to absolve his favorite player from blame, it’s sad.

Yes its sad that the truth and facts show the oline is below avg but some here cant see it.

So, you're saying that Kansas City also has a below average pass blocking line?

This is really easy. If this is the grading system you're using, then you're saying that Kansas City has a below average pass blocking line.