Jimmy Graham Sucked Today

[Seymour]

Found a little tidbit on the Graham contract situation.

Jimmy Graham TE / Seahawks

Graham set franchise records for a tight end with 65 receptions for 923 yards in a comeback 2016 season. In 2015, his first in Seattle, Graham tore the tore the patellar tendon in his right knee. Placing a franchise tag on Graham in 2018 is remote, and here's why: the 120 percent of the prior year's salary rules suggest that the signing bonus proration from Graham's deal with the Saints, which made him the NFL's first and only $10 million per year tight end, is included the calculations. With the bonus proration factored in, Graham's tag number should be $15.58 million. Fortunately for Seattle, the tight end market has been stagnant with Graham's deal still leading the way. A 31-year-old Graham may have a hard time getting the same money in 2018 he did at 27 without bettering the franchise marks he set last season during his contract year.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...year-players-who-can-cash-in-with-a-big-2017/

 

[semiahmoo]

Graham is rightfully frustrated.

He is a world-class talent that has never been utilized right with our team.

Bevell is to blame, Pete then shares some of that blame, and so too does RW who misses a lot of open lanes - far too many for a QB with his experience. RW seems to be regressing. The recent USA Today article suggests that as well.

 

[Seymour]

Yes, we all hope to draft a taller QB next year that can outrun a camel and never miss a receiver, but this thread is about Graham.

 

[Seymour]

Well yesterday it only got worse.

1 catch for 1 yards vs the niners. ukeface:

Sorry but I bought into the Jimmy hype, and how he dropped weight, was leaner, quicker, and faster and was poised to have a great season after full recovery.

Not what I am seeing at all. I'm looking at a player that looks like he has checked out. Not going to pull your own weight? Then get him the hell out of here!

 

[Tical21]

If he's here by Wednesday I believe it is a mistake. Take what you can get. If you can't get a third rounder, you consider holding onto him for the comp pick, but that is going to be one tall malcontent. Offense flows better with Luke in. Jimmy is going to be one of the best pass catching TE's all-time, but doesn't fit in with Russell, and his pussified attitude doesn't fit in with this team.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I'm to the point with Graham that if we can get a quality O-lineman and someone to take on his 10M salary............trade him.

Just as Bruce Irvin and Bennett said when we traded for him, he's a fake tough guy and soft. So teams make sure to punch him in his mouth a couple times in the first quarter to make him quit. That's why for the rest of the game he stops running if he thinks the ball isn't coming to him, which is 90% of the time now.

So he's obviously disengaged from what we're trying to do. Not all his fault, but bad fit and I'm ready to move on if we can get a good veteran lineman.

 

[Mad Dog]

Yeah pretty unimpressed with him so far. Not sure its Jimmy. Not sure its Bevell. Not sure its defensive scheme. But something is totally not working. Either make it work or move him. It's annoying that we say we can't afford OL help but are paying a TE 10 million to miss blocks and drop passes.

 

[mistaowen]

He has 4 catches for 9 yards this year. You can complain about him being soft, there's absolutely no reason for those numbers to be so dreadful. When he went out briefly yesterday, TE's suddenly became used in the passing game. Pro bowl TEs shouldn't be catching passes behind the LOS. I want to drop kick my TV watching McEvoy get passes over the middle while Jimmy is releasing late at the line after chip blocking. He isn't a typical TE, stop forcing him to be a traditional blocking TE.

 

[vin.couve12]

I obviously don't doubt Jimmy's abilitt in the right scheme that makes him more like a WR, but he's a waste of 10m in Seattle. Let's spend that money elsewhere next year or trade him sooner rather than later if there's something viable.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

stop forcing him to be a traditional blocking TE.

But this is the problem, in this offense he has to block, and he either doesn't, or gets destroyed trying.

Dude still has talent, and therefore value................so if we're still going to be the pound the rock ball control offense Pete wants us to be, why are we paying a guy 10M a year to block 80% of the time, who CAN'T block?

Makes no sense. Trade him for someone who can help us more within the confines of this scheme.

 

[hawkfan68]

I'm sure Drew Brees and the Saints would take him back. Jimmy probably would be happy going back to them too. But what do they have to offer in return is the question.

 

[mistaowen]

stop forcing him to be a traditional blocking TE.

But this is the problem, in this offense he has to block, and he either doesn't, or gets destroyed trying.

Dude still has talent, and therefore value................so if we're still going to be the pound the rock ball control offense Pete wants us to be, why are we paying a guy 10M a year to block 80% of the time, who CAN'T block?

Makes no sense. Trade him for someone who can help us more within the confines of this scheme.

I've asked this question as well. Had a post last week talking about team identity. He thrived in the uptempo spread style offense the Saints run and was never really asked to be inline blocking. Seahawks trade a first for him and he's just expected to play the Zach Miller role. Why not have him in the slot or out wide while another TE stays in blocking?

Pats run plays with 3 TE's in the game and get Gronk 1 on 1 looks. Saints did it with him frequently. He just doesn't fit the style Pete wants (most players on the roster don't either at this point) and we pay $10 mil for a guy to run around the LOS who spent his early years feasting on the middle of the field.

 

[Seymour]

Panthers have any olinemen we'd want? Olson just went down with a broken foot.

 

[CodeWarrior]

Panthers have any olinemen we'd want? Olson just went down with a broken foot.

Trai Turner is a beast but they're not trading him. Plus he just got paid. Norwell is pretty good. Believe they put a 2nd round tender on him this offseason? No takers.

 

[Seymour]

Graham for Duane Brown. Making around the same $$. Sign him to a new deal and give him what he wants.

Make it happen... Graham is the square peg in the round hole here.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...d-to-keep-holding-out-at-least-another-month/

 

[jammerhawk]

Jimmy who?
Oh yeah, that big guy we brought in to catch touchdowns...the one our OC never uses.

LOL!

The truth is revealed in dark humour.

Does anyone recall the 2 pass series wherein Willson was effectively targetted? Why did the OC go away from that is the use of TEs an afterthought?

Why no quick slants to Graham, why no short outside fades where he gets to use his size? Simply = not properly employed in our O. The OC seems to not know how to maximize the use of Graham to get the full advantage of his talent.

 

[mistaowen]

Jimmy who?
Oh yeah, that big guy we brought in to catch touchdowns...the one our OC never uses.

LOL!

The truth is revealed in dark humour.

Does anyone recall the 2 pass series wherein Willson was effectively targetted? Why did the OC go away from that?

Why no slants to Graham why no short outside fades where he gets to use his size?

Because Jimmy Graham is being used at the line of scrimmage. Gotta get McEvoy those sweet mid field targets instead of Jimmy.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Jimmy who?
Oh yeah, that big guy we brought in to catch touchdowns...the one our OC never uses.

LOL!

The truth is revealed in dark humour.

Does anyone recall the 2 pass series wherein Willson was effectively targetted? Why did the OC go away from that?

Why no slants to Graham why no short outside fades where he gets to use his size?

I have no idea what you guys are seeing, Graham's ineffectiveness right now is his OWN doing...........not playcalling.

Dude gets blown up trying to block, gets punched in the mouth and spends the rest of the game moping and meandering out into his routes.

When Russell runs around for 10 seconds and you don't get open, that's not on Russell or Bevell, that's on YOU. Every other receiver has figured it out, why can't Graham?

 

[Seymour]

Jimmy who?
Oh yeah, that big guy we brought in to catch touchdowns...the one our OC never uses.

LOL!

The truth is revealed in dark humour.

Does anyone recall the 2 pass series wherein Willson was effectively targetted? Why did the OC go away from that?

Why no slants to Graham why no short outside fades where he gets to use his size?

I have no idea what you guys are seeing, Graham's ineffectiveness right now is his OWN doing...........not playcalling.

Dude gets blown up trying to block, gets punched in the mouth and spends the rest of the game moping and meandering out into his routes.

When Russell runs around for 10 seconds and you don't get open, that's not on Russell or Bevell, that's on YOU. Every other receiver has figured it out, why can't Graham?

It is difficult to differentiate the 2. This all started with the misuse / non-use by Bevell but now has turned into a Jimmy "I surrender" issue. Hugh Millen went off on him this morning pointing out he is totally tipping off his (and others) routes with lax effort, making half hearted blocks, and has become a serious liability with little blocking ability. After Graham took that hit he dropped the ball on, he was done.

He is not a real Seahawk. He is a quitter.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

He is not a real Seahawk. He is a quitter.

Distilled down to it's essence right here, and Bennett and Irvin called it when Graham was traded here. Soft fake tough guy.

Not all Graham's fault, just not a good fit for what our offense is trying to do. But that doesn't excuse his lazy route running and outward discontent with not getting balls. Fine, you don't like it? Be even nastier out there, run even harder, prove to Pete, Bevell and Russell that you can carry this team offensively?

Nope, just keeps going further into his mope shell.