Ok....the lateral????

[253hawk]

THey were correct, started at 47, caught at 48..

It's called physics.. A backwards pass will still travel forward when you running full speed. The announcers were off base imo.

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By NFL rules, that makes it a forward pass:

"(b) the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official, or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponent’s goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer’s hand(s)."

It gets a bit silly though, because a lateral while running at full speed is almost physically impossible to pull off without jumping into the air and winging it backwards wildly with both hands. I'm curious as to how many players can whip a ball backwards at 20+ MPH (to bring the ball's relative momentum to zero) and not blow their shoulder and elbow out.

 

[Sgt Largent]

Now that I've read part (b) of the rule as posted here, I apologize. Now that my apology is out of the way, who in God's name thought that that would be a good definition of a forward pass?

Running the option back in the day, we would pitch the ball in exactly that situation all day and it was perfectly legal.

 

[seahawkfreak]

THey were correct, started at 47, caught at 48..

It's called physics.. A backwards pass will still travel forward when you running full speed. The announcers were off base imo.

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By NFL rules, that makes it a forward pass:

"(b) the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official, or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponent’s goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer’s hand(s)."

It gets a bit silly though, because a lateral while running at full speed is almost physically impossible to pull off without jumping into the air and winging it backwards wildly with both hands. I'm curious as to how many players can whip a ball backwards at 20+ MPH (to bring the ball's relative momentum to zero) and not blow their shoulder and elbow out.

They can't and it was never expected. Forward means pushed in front, that is not what happened.

 

[renofox]

The Seahawks got away with one - the lateral.

The Eagles got away with one - the facemask.

Can we just call it even?

 

[WindCityHawk]

We're making this more complicated than it needs to be. The ball goes behind Wilson. Forward passes don't go behind the passer.

Next question.

 

[hgwellz12]

I don't care! Awesome play!!! Any and all Iglesias fans can kiss my ass. Twice! Thr Thr Thr THREEE TIMES! I LOVE PRIME TIME GAMES!

 

[seahawkfreak]

The Seahawks got away with one - the lateral.

The Eagles got away with one - the facemask.

Can we just call it even?

No

 

[Hawkpower]

The actull rule has been posted here, people ignore it and keep thinking it was a lateral.

Not really as black and white as you keep painting it to be due to the factors discussed above.

May have been overturned.....unlikely though. At the rate he was running, it would have been nearly impossible to lateral a ball and not have it drift forward a bit due to physics.

Bang bang call probably stands as called

 

[hgwellz12]

Oops! Lol! Or Iggles fans :lol:

 

[trharder]

Why would they include the word "initially" if it didn't matter? Initially, he threw the ball behind him. Lateral. Legal.
Great play.

 

[SeahawksCanuck]

It did essentially carry forward, but the ball did travel backwards relative to Wilson because he was running so fast. The faster you go, the more force you need to throw the ball backwards to cancel out its velocity. Most laterals are done at much slower speed, so it's not usually an issue.

Ya, I can't imagine anyone watching on TV thought it was a forward pass until the replays showing the markers clearly, since it was a lateral relative to the moving players. But from the rule quoted earlier sounds like that doesn't matter.

 

[Seymour]

I guess the conspiracy is against the Eagles this week. :twisted:

 

[XxXdragonXxX]

We're making this more complicated than it needs to be. The ball goes behind Wilson. Forward passes don't go behind the passer.

Next question.

Passer releases the ball and continues running forward. Ball travels forward but is caught behind where passer ends up when the ball is caught...forward pass....it only matters where the ball struck in relation to where it was released. This brings the ohysics argument out of the equation...which makes the rule the opposite of more complicated (simpler).

 

[Smellyman]

It's not even remotely close to a forward pass. Some of you need to take a #_&@ physics class.

What? I think you need the physics lesson

 

[Reaneypark]

It’s on the Eagles for not challenging it.

 

[253hawk]

Could also argue that #24 of the Eagles committed a low block on Wilson since he didn't have the ball and was hit in the legs. I mean even Hasselbeck gets called for doing it on the actual ball carrier...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DanLevyThinks/status/937533353678594048[/tweet]

 

[WindCityHawk]

We're making this more complicated than it needs to be. The ball goes behind Wilson. Forward passes don't go behind the passer.

Next question.

Passer releases the ball and continues running forward. Ball travels forward but is caught behind where passer ends up when the ball is caught...forward pass....it only matters where the ball struck in relation to where it was released. This brings the ohysics argument out of the equation...which makes the rule the opposite of more complicated (simpler).

Dude, watch the highlight again. The ball leaves Wilson's body headed behind his latitude. How is this discussion happening?

Philly didn't challenge it because they know they would have lost.

 

[Nog]

It's called physics. RW threw the ball backward initially, that's all it matters !

 

[Smellyman]

Could also argue that #24 of the Eagles committed a low block on Wilson since he didn't have the ball and was hit in the legs. I mean even Hasselbeck gets called for doing it on the actual ball carrier...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DanLevyThinks/status/937533353678594048[/tweet]

That tweet sums it up perfectly.

Looks great.

Letter of law(rules). Illegal

 

[XxXdragonXxX]

Why would they include the word "initially" if it didn't matter? Initially, he threw the ball behind him. Lateral. Legal.
Great play.

That portion of the rule only really matters if the ball is tipped forward after travelling backward INITIALLY, it is there to protect the offense from a fumble ruling after a tipped backward pass. Part (b) is the rule that matters in this case.