PFF Oline ranking-Hawks worst in the NFL

[Rat]

Good thing Cable is so great.

 

[Smellyman]

and quit saying this was the best OL perfromance.

RW was still getting drilled and couldn't run the ball.

 

[marko358]

and quit saying this was the best OL perfromance.

RW was still getting drilled and couldn't run the ball.

We had a total of 1 TD drive and 2 FG drives and 6 other drives resulting in less than a 100 yards combined. Is that not good enough for you?

 

[Cartire]

and quit saying this was the best OL perfromance.

RW was still getting drilled and couldn't run the ball.

He wasnt sacked once.

 

[Smellyman]

and quit saying this was the best OL perfromance.

RW was still getting drilled and couldn't run the ball.

He wasnt sacked once.

Then it was a great performance.

/sarcasm off

 

[LymonHawk]

Well, if you agree with their rankings for OL, shouldn't you also agree with their QB rankings? Or do you just get to cherry pick what you like and disregard what you don't?

Anyone want to answer that one?

 

[hawknation2015]

Well, if you agree with their rankings for OL, shouldn't you also agree with their QB rankings? Or do you just get to cherry pick what you like and disregard what you don't?

Anyone want to answer that one?

All of PFF's grades have weaknesses. Their QB grades are probably the weakest of the weak because of how much goes into playing QB that is not included in their evaluations, i.e. pre-snap reads, protections, audibles, short throws to receivers in space, etc. They also make these evaluations before viewing the All-22, which means they are limited to viewing a small portion of the field.

 

[LymonHawk]

Well, if you agree with their rankings for OL, shouldn't you also agree with their QB rankings? Or do you just get to cherry pick what you like and disregard what you don't?

Anyone want to answer that one?

All of PFF's grades have weaknesses. Their QB grades are probably the weakest of the weak because of how much goes into playing QB that is not included in their evaluations, i.e. pre-snap reads, protections, audibles, short throws to receivers in space, etc. They also make these evaluations before viewing the All-22, which means they are limited to viewing a small portion of the field.

Thanks, 2015.

So if we believe their grades have weaknesses, why do we put stock in them?

Personally, I don't believe in the grading thing. It's just another ruse to obtain clicks.

 

[hawknation2015]

Well, if you agree with their rankings for OL, shouldn't you also agree with their QB rankings? Or do you just get to cherry pick what you like and disregard what you don't?

Anyone want to answer that one?

All of PFF's grades have weaknesses. Their QB grades are probably the weakest of the weak because of how much goes into playing QB that is not included in their evaluations, i.e. pre-snap reads, protections, audibles, short throws to receivers in space, etc. They also make these evaluations before viewing the All-22, which means they are limited to viewing a small portion of the field.

Thanks, 2015.

So if we believe their grades have weaknesses, why do we put stock in them?

Personally, I don't believe in the grading thing. It's just another ruse to obtain clicks.

You just have to view it as another subjective opinion . . . one of many. Their signature stats are more interesting than the grades. PFF's biggest problem is their dedication to secrecy and determination to carefully cultivate a reputation that they can then sell to outlets like ESPN. It should be possible to scrutinize their grades and stats on a per play basis.

 

[Hawkpower]

That is the thing that is so frustrating - we don't even need a good OL let alone great. We just need a somewhat serviceable line. How hard can it be?

More challenging when you have large chunks of money in your QB, RB, Dline, Linebackers and Secondary.

You can make a legitimate argument that the oline is more important than some of these areas, but considering the players are now signed, locked and loaded, it is what it is for this year.

We either restructure the areas of the team next year so that you weaken one spot for the benefit of the line, or we hope to hit a homerun while bargain shopping.

But this is why some cringed when money was given out to certain individuals. The oline we now are stuck with is the consequence.

They had virtually nothing tied up in QB for the last 3 years so not much of an excuse. Nor should it have been why some cringed, They had 3+ years to fix the oline. They have no excuses at all.

Calm down. I wasnt personally calling out your boy.

Did you notice I also mentioned that we have big money tied up in various other positions as well?

They dont have a poor oline because thats what they want. They have a poor oline because superstars emerged other places and we chose to keep them around.

Doing that meant that we had to hope some gambles worked out in the draft, free agency, etc. You cant have superstar contracts at every single spot on the field. Its just not fiscally possible.

So again, we either have to weaken other areas of the team, or hope these gambles work out.

Thats what is going to happen NOW that we have to pay huge money to our QB. There's your shot my friend

 

[Hawkpower]

You reap what you sow.

Dallas is #1 on the list, and 80% of their OL consists of three 1st-rounders and a fourth would-have-been 1st rounder (La'el Collins).

Seattle is dead last, and 80% of their OL consists of an undrafted college DT in the MAC conference who had never appeared in an NFL game, an undrafted college TE who was a part-time-starting OT as a senior and who didn't play any meaningful snaps as a rookie last season, a 7th round college DT who has been a middling OG thus far in his career, and a 2nd round pick who was a MAJOR reach that everyone else had graded as a 3rd day pick, and who was a disaster for the better part of his rookie season.

The OL has been neglected for years now, under a false belief that Tom Cable can turn water into wine. And now we're all paying the price for it.

Our line at times last year consisted of two first round picks and a second rounder. Thats hardly neglect.

We could have made different decisions over the years and had a better oline, sure. But those decisions dont get made in a vacuum. What parts of our team would be weaker because of it? Is our team better overall if we have a better oline but a terrible secondary? How about no Bobby and or KJ? Maybe. Maybe not.

We cant just snap and say I want a better oline. This isnt Madden. There are consequences to every decision.

 

[mikeak]

Funny how many times I and others were told to shut it and our o-line was fine since we had been to two superbowls....

 

[Hawkpower]

Funny how many times I and others were told to shut it and our o-line was fine since we had been to two superbowls....

The comment I saw often was that our oline has not been good in this run, and yet we have gone to two superbowls.

Which is true.

Has something changed to prompt your comment?

 

[rideaducati]

The O-line is getting better EVERY WEEK. Cable does a good job EVERY YEAR with what he is given and his offensive lines get better as each season goes on. The guys along the offensive line just need TIME together. They'll be better next season.

Just look at the Saints offensive line. They were among the best in the league for several years at pass protecting. They had the most starts TOGETHER too. They now have new faces in new places and they aren't as good either.

On the bright side, PFF ranks TWO of our defensive linemen in the top 10 edge rushers in the league...actually, top 9.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

You reap what you sow.

Dallas is #1 on the list, and 80% of their OL consists of three 1st-rounders and a fourth would-have-been 1st rounder (La'el Collins).

Seattle is dead last, and 80% of their OL consists of an undrafted college DT in the MAC conference who had never appeared in an NFL game, an undrafted college TE who was a part-time-starting OT as a senior and who didn't play any meaningful snaps as a rookie last season, a 7th round college DT who has been a middling OG thus far in his career, and a 2nd round pick who was a MAJOR reach that everyone else had graded as a 3rd day pick, and who was a disaster for the better part of his rookie season.

The OL has been neglected for years now, under a false belief that Tom Cable can turn water into wine. And now we're all paying the price for it.

 

[Blitzer88]

Not really shocking news.

 

[randomation]

It's almost like it's not a good idea to try to turn tight ends and defensive linemen into olinemen and actually draft oline instead.

 

[mikeak]

Funny how many times I and others were told to shut it and our o-line was fine since we had been to two superbowls....

The comment I saw often was that our oline has not been good in this run, and yet we have gone to two superbowls.

Which is true.

Has something changed to prompt your comment?

The comment that I saw was stating that our O-line is fine, we have gone to two superbowls so there was no issue and there will be no issue

Which is NOT true

We went to superbowls despite our O-line

 

[The Dirty Truth]

Dallas might have the most OVERRATED OL in the history of football.

 

[Largent80]

Everyone gobbles the Dallas O-Line knob and what did they get last week?

All those #1 draft choices and 5 losses in a row.