Ray Rice Video - punching his gf

[Cartire]

No way they could have suppressed it from the DA.

Here's what I think happened, and maybe I am being too charitable: the raw video from the elevator is extremely choppy, you can hardly detect the punches by Rice in it, and the fiancee looks more menacing coming forward toward him in slow, choppy motion. After TMZ cleaned it up and put it in real time, you can now clearly see who the instigator was as well as the velocity of those punches. Knowing how technologically unadvanced many DA offices are, it's unlikely they ever corrected the choppiness of the raw video for themselves.

Yea, i think you are giving them to much benefit of the doubt there.

 

[salamander]

A couple random thoughts about this.

1. The only reason Rice is being punished like this because of a video/PR. Many players over the years have had similar charges made against them and nothing like this has been done by the team/league/public. There should be some consistency based on what is right, not just about what is best for PR. (From Wikipedia) In 2008 Brandon Marshall officially received a three-game suspension from the NFL on August 5, 2008, due to off-the-field legal troubles including a drunk driving charge and domestic violence arrest.[29] He appealed the decision and won the appeal, reducing the punishment to a one-game suspension and a fine of two combined game checks, which totaled $52,353.

2. Sometimes positive things can come from bad situations. Ray Rice working with the league to work against domestic violence had potential to make more of a difference than kicking Rice out and trying to put it all behind.

3. In general I just really hate knee jerk reactions to public outrage.

 

[Anonymous]

8000+ hits on that video in 6 hours?

Thought it would be more than that by now.

 

[SmokinHawk]

A couple random thoughts about this.

1. The only reason Rice is being punished like this because of a video/PR. Many players over the years have had similar charges made against them and nothing like this has been done by the team/league/public. There should be some consistency based on what is right, not just about what is best for PR. (From Wikipedia) In 2008 Brandon Marshall officially received a three-game suspension from the NFL on August 5, 2008, due to off-the-field legal troubles including a drunk driving charge and domestic violence arrest.[29] He appealed the decision and won the appeal, reducing the punishment to a one-game suspension and a fine of two combined game checks, which totaled $52,353.

2. Sometimes positive things can come from bad situations. Ray Rice working with the league to work against domestic violence had potential to make more of a difference than kicking Rice out and trying to put it all behind.

3. In general I just really hate knee jerk reactions to public outrage.

Did you watch the video? Are you really going to stand in his defense?

 

[salamander]

A couple random thoughts about this.

1. The only reason Rice is being punished like this because of a video/PR. Many players over the years have had similar charges made against them and nothing like this has been done by the team/league/public. There should be some consistency based on what is right, not just about what is best for PR. (From Wikipedia) In 2008 Brandon Marshall officially received a three-game suspension from the NFL on August 5, 2008, due to off-the-field legal troubles including a drunk driving charge and domestic violence arrest.[29] He appealed the decision and won the appeal, reducing the punishment to a one-game suspension and a fine of two combined game checks, which totaled $52,353.

2. Sometimes positive things can come from bad situations. Ray Rice working with the league to work against domestic violence had potential to make more of a difference than kicking Rice out and trying to put it all behind.

3. In general I just really hate knee jerk reactions to public outrage.

Did you watch the video? Are you really going to stand in his defense?

I'm not defending him, I'm ripping the process. If there were video of Ray McDonald or Brandon Marshal do you really think it would look any different?

 

[SeatownJay]

Gee, do you think the fact that the DA that let Rice off with a plea agreement, Jim Mclain, is a Rutgers alum played any part in his handling of the case?

http://www.acpo.org/prosecutor.html

Mr. McClain received his B.A. degree in History from LaSalle College in Philadelphia in 1979 and he received his law degree from Rutgers University School of Law in Newark in 1982.

 

[hoxrox]

There's another guy named Ray that should be real nervous right now.

As for the Ravens - they didn't do anything until their hands were forced. They deserve no credit.

 

[RolandDeschain]

What about the DA? They have the right of subpena. The casino cant suppress that.

Assuming they always follow the letter of the law...Sure.

Also...Like a district attorney can't be pressured to not pursue available evidence?

 

[hawknation2014]

A couple random thoughts about this.

1. The only reason Rice is being punished like this because of a video/PR. Many players over the years have had similar charges made against them and nothing like this has been done by the team/league/public. There should be some consistency based on what is right, not just about what is best for PR. (From Wikipedia) In 2008 Brandon Marshall officially received a three-game suspension from the NFL on August 5, 2008, due to off-the-field legal troubles including a drunk driving charge and domestic violence arrest.[29] He appealed the decision and won the appeal, reducing the punishment to a one-game suspension and a fine of two combined game checks, which totaled $52,353.

2. Sometimes positive things can come from bad situations. Ray Rice working with the league to work against domestic violence had potential to make more of a difference than kicking Rice out and trying to put it all behind.

3. In general I just really hate knee jerk reactions to public outrage.

Did you watch the video? Are you really going to stand in his defense?

I'm not defending him, I'm ripping the process. If there were video of Ray McDonald or Brandon Marshal do you really think it would look any different?

A question right back: Does that mean we should punish Rice less severely or McDonald more severely?

The fact that Rice abused his fiancee in a violent manner is now incontrovertible.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

What do you guys think Greg Hardy gets as a result of Goodell's and the Ravens's bungling? Like a bajillion game suspension?

 

[Anonymous]

Hey folks, let's read the page before we post, please.

Also, this topic has become extremely touchy in a hurry today. Please keep in mind that this issue has far-reaching aspects that have the potential to divide and conquer without us having to do it to ourselves.

I suggest we exercise caution with regard to expressing opinions on the matter.

Thanks.

 

[Cartire]

Gee, do you think the fact that the DA that let Rice off with a plea agreement, Jim Mclain, is a Rutgers alum played any part in his handling of the case?

http://www.acpo.org/prosecutor.html

Mr. McClain received his B.A. degree in History from LaSalle College in Philadelphia in 1979 and he received his law degree from Rutgers University School of Law in Newark in 1982.

And the plot thickens. If the guy keeps his job, ill be shocked. Actually, no I wont. And thats sad.

 

[Cartire]

Hey folks, let's read the page before we post, please.

Also, this topic has become extremely touchy in a hurry today. Please keep in mind that this issue has far-reaching aspects that have the potential to divide and conquer without us having to do it to ourselves.

I suggest we exercise caution with regard to expressing opinions on the matter.

Thanks.

Just shack it. Theres a lot more stuff that should be being said in light of this situation.

 

[kearly]

Brutal. What a way to end a career.

 

[Seahwkgal]

I also want to speak my piece about this. As a former victim of domestic violence(you don't have to be married to qualify), I cannot understand how that woman married him. That is crazy! Also, I abhor violence of any kind and a woman that hits a man is just as guilty. There is no need to strike or punch anyone unless it's purely for self defense and I don't care what genitals are between the legs. Next up: Ray McDonald.

 

[ivotuk]

Do NOT FLAME each other.

It doesn't matter what you think of someone's post, don't get yourself banned by reacting to an emotional issue. Leave it to the mods.

 

[Shadowhawk]

I know I get flamed for supporting Goodell. Even though I dont really support him as much as I get annoyed with the blame he unjustly gets for things he doesnt control.

The only way Goodell saves face if he wants to claim they hadnt seen the video, increase the penalties he gave to Rice.

But I think the way bigger issue that only a few people here seem to care about, Why the hell was a plea deal given to him? The DA doesnt need his wifes approval. They had access to this video. Even if the NFL really didnt, the DA did. How the hell does Rice walk away from this with a plea deal?

That's why they should both be fired. Roger Goodell and that DA deserve to lose their jobs over this. Goodell is either lying about not seeing that video or he was grossly negligent in not viewing it before making his decision. And yes, that DA should have thrown Rice in jail for a long time before it even got to this point.

 

[Largent80]

I also want to speak my piece about this. As a former victim of domestic violence(you don't have to be married to qualify), I cannot understand how that woman married him. That is crazy! Also, I abhor violence of any kind and a woman that hits a man is just as guilty. There is no need to strike or punch anyone unless it's purely for self defense and I don't care what genitals are between the legs. Next up: Ray McDonald.

Well said Andrea. I was trying to point this out in an earlier post and someone decided that I was an asshole for saying what my wife has told me after many years of therapy sessions with this subject.

 

[RationalNiner]

This woman married that guy after this?


Hmmm, I smell something....Either a gold digger, or enjoys getting beat. My wife is a marriage and family therapist and has seen this type of crap before. Some of these women feel trapped and continue with the relationship even though they get physically and mentally abused continuously.

In no way am I saying the woman is at fault because this is at minimum 2nd degree assault.

Yeah, some women are just fundamentally broken and are attracted to violent men & drama. I don't know his wife or her situation, but I would not be surprised if that was the case with her because she still married him. Whenever I hear a woman talk about how abusive all her boyfriends were, I know exactly the kind of men she is attracted to.

 

[salamander]

A couple random thoughts about this.

1. The only reason Rice is being punished like this because of a video/PR. Many players over the years have had similar charges made against them and nothing like this has been done by the team/league/public. There should be some consistency based on what is right, not just about what is best for PR. (From Wikipedia) In 2008 Brandon Marshall officially received a three-game suspension from the NFL on August 5, 2008, due to off-the-field legal troubles including a drunk driving charge and domestic violence arrest.[29] He appealed the decision and won the appeal, reducing the punishment to a one-game suspension and a fine of two combined game checks, which totaled $52,353.

2. Sometimes positive things can come from bad situations. Ray Rice working with the league to work against domestic violence had potential to make more of a difference than kicking Rice out and trying to put it all behind.

3. In general I just really hate knee jerk reactions to public outrage.

Did you watch the video? Are you really going to stand in his defense?

I'm not defending him, I'm ripping the process. If there were video of Ray McDonald or Brandon Marshal do you really think it would look any different?

A question right back: Does that mean we should punish Rice less severely or McDonald more severely?

The fact that Rice abused his fiancee in a violent manner is now incontrovertible.

I think it is a mistake to assume this is atypical for domestic violence. I think most domestic violence is as horrible as this or worse. He hit her hard once and it knocked her out. Thankfully he stopped after one blow. I think he should have been punished severely from the outset; a full season suspension, full salary donated to domestic violence organizations, daily anger management/other counseling for the length of the suspension. After the year he must continue counseling (weekly or monthly) as well as perform domestic violence advocacy, talking to players and other groups about the issue. If he violates any of these terms or heaven forbid commits another act, he would be banned for life. This should be consistent for all domestic abuse cases.