What will PC do?

[chris98251]

Holmgren did script his first 15 but often never got beyond 5 before he started adjusting something our OC refuses to do

Why I said it was not hard and fast, if they seen what they needed they could and would start running plays till they stopped or adjusted which opened up other plays.

 

[chris98251]

We'll stick with the spread as it's what our players have been trained to do.

That doesn't mean we won't see traces of the WCO at times. Offenses become homogenized over the years, with play designers borrowing here, borrowing there, that it incorporates may different versions.

It's interesting you want to go to the true WCO, but you want to give Russell more freedom to call the plays. Well, the great Bill Walsh, who some say specialized the WCO, scripted his first 25 plays. The idea there being that the team would practice those plays over and over to perfect them and would run them without hesitation to give the offense a huge advantage over the defense.

They scripted plays to get the defense to tell different looks so they could set them up to create mismatches, Holmgren did the same thing. Yet if memory serves the 49ers still score in the first three quarters and kept scoring as did the Holmgren Seahawks. It was 15 plays also for Holmgren, 25 plays is half a game for most teams. A long drive is typically 12 plays even if it's primarily running game. Your going to get some 10 and 20 yard chunks in there most times.

You don't have to stay on script either if what your doing straight up is working and your dominating, Holmgren used to say we don't care if you know it is coming, we will execute it and your not going to be able to stop it. Walsh had fine tuned things the same way, that's how well those offenses were run with great play callers and OC's.

Which brings us back to Bevell and what he doesn't do even with all the scripts he cannot find a way to run things efficiently.

We are essentially doing the same thing with our scripted plays -- figuring out what the opposing defense presents and setting them up to exploit them down the road.

We're 6-3 and are in the thick of the playoff race, so I'd say things are going pretty efficiently.

Umm no were not, we don't adjust, we don't figure out what works and run with it, we see something that works and go away from it.

 

[Siouxhawk]

We'll stick with the spread as it's what our players have been trained to do.

That doesn't mean we won't see traces of the WCO at times. Offenses become homogenized over the years, with play designers borrowing here, borrowing there, that it incorporates may different versions.

It's interesting you want to go to the true WCO, but you want to give Russell more freedom to call the plays. Well, the great Bill Walsh, who some say specialized the WCO, scripted his first 25 plays. The idea there being that the team would practice those plays over and over to perfect them and would run them without hesitation to give the offense a huge advantage over the defense.

They scripted plays to get the defense to tell different looks so they could set them up to create mismatches, Holmgren did the same thing. Yet if memory serves the 49ers still score in the first three quarters and kept scoring as did the Holmgren Seahawks. It was 15 plays also for Holmgren, 25 plays is half a game for most teams. A long drive is typically 12 plays even if it's primarily running game. Your going to get some 10 and 20 yard chunks in there most times.

You don't have to stay on script either if what your doing straight up is working and your dominating, Holmgren used to say we don't care if you know it is coming, we will execute it and your not going to be able to stop it. Walsh had fine tuned things the same way, that's how well those offenses were run with great play callers and OC's.

Which brings us back to Bevell and what he doesn't do even with all the scripts he cannot find a way to run things efficiently.

Holmgren did script his first 15 but often never got beyond 5 before he started adjusting something our OC refuses to do

That doesn't even make sense. Why would he even script plays if he was going to stop at 5? The idea of scripting plays is to get a read on what the defense is presenting, while still endeavoring to work your offense down the field.

 

[Anthony!]

We'll stick with the spread as it's what our players have been trained to do.

That doesn't mean we won't see traces of the WCO at times. Offenses become homogenized over the years, with play designers borrowing here, borrowing there, that it incorporates may different versions.

It's interesting you want to go to the true WCO, but you want to give Russell more freedom to call the plays. Well, the great Bill Walsh, who some say specialized the WCO, scripted his first 25 plays. The idea there being that the team would practice those plays over and over to perfect them and would run them without hesitation to give the offense a huge advantage over the defense.

They scripted plays to get the defense to tell different looks so they could set them up to create mismatches, Holmgren did the same thing. Yet if memory serves the 49ers still score in the first three quarters and kept scoring as did the Holmgren Seahawks. It was 15 plays also for Holmgren, 25 plays is half a game for most teams. A long drive is typically 12 plays even if it's primarily running game. Your going to get some 10 and 20 yard chunks in there most times.

You don't have to stay on script either if what your doing straight up is working and your dominating, Holmgren used to say we don't care if you know it is coming, we will execute it and your not going to be able to stop it. Walsh had fine tuned things the same way, that's how well those offenses were run with great play callers and OC's.

Which brings us back to Bevell and what he doesn't do even with all the scripts he cannot find a way to run things efficiently.

We are essentially doing the same thing with our scripted plays -- figuring out what the opposing defense presents and setting them up to exploit them down the road.

We're 6-3 and are in the thick of the playoff race, so I'd say things are going pretty efficiently.

except Holmgren rarely go to the 15 often he stopped around 5. FYI yes we are 6-3 and nearly every score we had come with RW having to do something out of the framework of the OC offense to make the drive work. We are not 6-3 because of our offensive game plan and calling but in spite of it. Both PC and the OC have said they count on RW doing his thing, well if they have to count on a QB doing something no other QB can do then that tells you their game plan is not good

 

[Anthony!]

Holmgren did script his first 15 but often never got beyond 5 before he started adjusting something our OC refuses to do

Why I said it was not hard and fast, if they seen what they needed they could and would start running plays till they stopped or adjusted which opened up other plays.

Yeah but the person we are disagreeing with needs it spelled out

 

[Siouxhawk]

We'll stick with the spread as it's what our players have been trained to do.

That doesn't mean we won't see traces of the WCO at times. Offenses become homogenized over the years, with play designers borrowing here, borrowing there, that it incorporates may different versions.

It's interesting you want to go to the true WCO, but you want to give Russell more freedom to call the plays. Well, the great Bill Walsh, who some say specialized the WCO, scripted his first 25 plays. The idea there being that the team would practice those plays over and over to perfect them and would run them without hesitation to give the offense a huge advantage over the defense.

They scripted plays to get the defense to tell different looks so they could set them up to create mismatches, Holmgren did the same thing. Yet if memory serves the 49ers still score in the first three quarters and kept scoring as did the Holmgren Seahawks. It was 15 plays also for Holmgren, 25 plays is half a game for most teams. A long drive is typically 12 plays even if it's primarily running game. Your going to get some 10 and 20 yard chunks in there most times.

You don't have to stay on script either if what your doing straight up is working and your dominating, Holmgren used to say we don't care if you know it is coming, we will execute it and your not going to be able to stop it. Walsh had fine tuned things the same way, that's how well those offenses were run with great play callers and OC's.

Which brings us back to Bevell and what he doesn't do even with all the scripts he cannot find a way to run things efficiently.

We are essentially doing the same thing with our scripted plays -- figuring out what the opposing defense presents and setting them up to exploit them down the road.

We're 6-3 and are in the thick of the playoff race, so I'd say things are going pretty efficiently.

Umm no were not, we don't adjust, we don't figure out what works and run with it, we see something that works and go away from it.

That's hogwash. We adjust all the time and exploit opposing defenses. It's one of the reasons we finish out fourth quarters and win games the way we do.

 

[Anthony!]

We'll stick with the spread as it's what our players have been trained to do.

That doesn't mean we won't see traces of the WCO at times. Offenses become homogenized over the years, with play designers borrowing here, borrowing there, that it incorporates may different versions.

It's interesting you want to go to the true WCO, but you want to give Russell more freedom to call the plays. Well, the great Bill Walsh, who some say specialized the WCO, scripted his first 25 plays. The idea there being that the team would practice those plays over and over to perfect them and would run them without hesitation to give the offense a huge advantage over the defense.

They scripted plays to get the defense to tell different looks so they could set them up to create mismatches, Holmgren did the same thing. Yet if memory serves the 49ers still score in the first three quarters and kept scoring as did the Holmgren Seahawks. It was 15 plays also for Holmgren, 25 plays is half a game for most teams. A long drive is typically 12 plays even if it's primarily running game. Your going to get some 10 and 20 yard chunks in there most times.

You don't have to stay on script either if what your doing straight up is working and your dominating, Holmgren used to say we don't care if you know it is coming, we will execute it and your not going to be able to stop it. Walsh had fine tuned things the same way, that's how well those offenses were run with great play callers and OC's.

Which brings us back to Bevell and what he doesn't do even with all the scripts he cannot find a way to run things efficiently.

Holmgren did script his first 15 but often never got beyond 5 before he started adjusting something our OC refuses to do

That doesn't even make sense. Why would he even script plays if he was going to stop at 5? The idea of scripting plays is to get a read on what the defense is presenting, while still endeavoring to work your offense down the field.

oh well that is easy he scripts 15 in case he needs more but often never does. I mean I guess in your work he should script 5 and if after 5 he still needs more just say oh well we forfeit because I was not prepared to run more scripted plays. He is prepared.

 

[Anthony!]

They scripted plays to get the defense to tell different looks so they could set them up to create mismatches, Holmgren did the same thing. Yet if memory serves the 49ers still score in the first three quarters and kept scoring as did the Holmgren Seahawks. It was 15 plays also for Holmgren, 25 plays is half a game for most teams. A long drive is typically 12 plays even if it's primarily running game. Your going to get some 10 and 20 yard chunks in there most times.

You don't have to stay on script either if what your doing straight up is working and your dominating, Holmgren used to say we don't care if you know it is coming, we will execute it and your not going to be able to stop it. Walsh had fine tuned things the same way, that's how well those offenses were run with great play callers and OC's.

Which brings us back to Bevell and what he doesn't do even with all the scripts he cannot find a way to run things efficiently.

We are essentially doing the same thing with our scripted plays -- figuring out what the opposing defense presents and setting them up to exploit them down the road.

We're 6-3 and are in the thick of the playoff race, so I'd say things are going pretty efficiently.

Umm no were not, we don't adjust, we don't figure out what works and run with it, we see something that works and go away from it.

That's hogwash. We adjust all the time and exploit opposing defenses. It's one of the reasons we finish out fourth quarters and win games the way we do.

Oh my god I really hope you are not being dense just to be dense, we are talking about the scripted plays and when and if we adjust and once again most of our scoring comes from RW making something out of nothing during the drive. Also if you watch games we will be running the ball well and then stop, or passing the ball and then stop. We make adjustments but once we adjust and it works we don't stick with it. Point in case the offense that works best we only run it when we have to and as soon as we get a lead we go away from it. When you have something that works you stay with it till they stop it, and then adjust again, We don't do this, enough. Note MOST not all.

 

[Siouxhawk]

We are essentially doing the same thing with our scripted plays -- figuring out what the opposing defense presents and setting them up to exploit them down the road.

We're 6-3 and are in the thick of the playoff race, so I'd say things are going pretty efficiently.

Umm no were not, we don't adjust, we don't figure out what works and run with it, we see something that works and go away from it.

That's hogwash. We adjust all the time and exploit opposing defenses. It's one of the reasons we finish out fourth quarters and win games the way we do.

Oh my god I really hope you are not being dense just to be dense, we are talking about the scripted plays and when and if we adjust and once again most of our scoring comes from RW making something out of nothing during the drive. Also if you watch games we will be running the ball well and then stop, or passing the ball and then stop. We make adjustments but once we adjust and it works we don't stick with it. Point in case the offense that works best we only run it when we have to and as soon as we get a lead we go away from it. When you have something that works you stay with it till they stop it, and then adjust again, We don't do this, enough. Note MOST not all.

First of all, it's erroneous to say that "most of our scoring" comes from Russ improvising. That is blatantly wrong and you know it. Sure he's done it often and it's usually a thing of beauty, but it still represents a smaller percentage of our scoring plays.

Second of all, we stick with things that work all the time. The back-to-back touchdown passes to Jimmy are examples of that. I'm shaking my head at how you think we abandon a successful running game. When has it been consistently successful this season? It hasn't. It's been a train wreck as our line stumbles around. We had a 3rd-and-1 against the Skins, gave it to Rawls, and he was stopped in his tracks for no yards. We punt. Yeah, we sure went away from it there. Goofy.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Bevell will need to use screens. crossing routes, seam routes, deception and guys in motion.

We are incredibly screwed.

 

[Anthony!]

Umm no were not, we don't adjust, we don't figure out what works and run with it, we see something that works and go away from it.

That's hogwash. We adjust all the time and exploit opposing defenses. It's one of the reasons we finish out fourth quarters and win games the way we do.

Oh my god I really hope you are not being dense just to be dense, we are talking about the scripted plays and when and if we adjust and once again most of our scoring comes from RW making something out of nothing during the drive. Also if you watch games we will be running the ball well and then stop, or passing the ball and then stop. We make adjustments but once we adjust and it works we don't stick with it. Point in case the offense that works best we only run it when we have to and as soon as we get a lead we go away from it. When you have something that works you stay with it till they stop it, and then adjust again, We don't do this, enough. Note MOST not all.

First of all, it's erroneous to say that "most of our scoring" comes from Russ improvising. That is blatantly wrong and you know it. Sure he's done it often and it's usually a thing of beauty, but it still represents a smaller percentage of our scoring plays.

Second of all, we stick with things that work all the time. The back-to-back touchdown passes to Jimmy are examples of that. I'm shaking my head at how you think we abandon a successful running game. When has it been consistently successful this season? It hasn't. It's been a train wreck as our line stumbles around. We had a 3rd-and-1 against the Skins, gave it to Rawls, and he was stopped in his tracks for no yards. We punt. Yeah, we sure went away from it there. Goofy.

Okay this is the last time, You keep misquoting me and think that means something. I said "most of our scoring comes from RW making something out of nothing during the drive." not "most of our scoring" comes from Russ improvising." SO your 1 is irrelevant, now on to your second thing, You have now picked 4 plays out of hundreds that you feel meet your criteria. Good for you to bad they are few and far between. For every one time you can say they did there are 5 or more were they did not. We have series where we actually made a few first downs in a row throwing it, and then what happens next 3 we run all 3. Then we will have a few good runs and then stop and pass. When it is working keep going to it until it stops. Nwo this might not be all on the OC this could be PC but it sure is someone

 

[RolandDeschain]

I hope Pete realizes that with our injury situation, we are not winning the Super Bowl unless we shake things up and risk it all to gain it all - unleash the offense.

Pete, say it with me: YOLO!

 

[Anthony!]

I hope Pete realizes that with our injury situation, we are not winning the Super Bowl unless we shake things up and risk it all to gain it all - unleash the offense.

Pete, say it with me: YOLO!

would be nice

 

[Siouxhawk]

Pete will do what he thinks gives us the best chance to win. Can't argue with that.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Pete will do what he thinks gives us the best chance to win. Can't argue with that.

That's literally a mindset you can justify ANYTHING with. :roll:

 

[Siouxhawk]

Pete will do what he thinks gives us the best chance to win. Can't argue with that.

That's literally a mindset you can justify ANYTHING with. :roll:

This is true. Pete has earned trust in all matters surrounding his football team. I'd bet he'll come up with the appropriate philosophy going forward to make the season as rewarding as possible.

 

[iigakusei]

Not much would be my guess.

 

[cymatica]

Pete will do what he thinks gives us the best chance to win. Can't argue with that.

That's literally a mindset you can justify ANYTHING with. :roll:

This is true. Pete has earned trust in all matters surrounding his football team. I'd bet he'll come up with the appropriate philosophy going forward to make the season as rewarding as possible.

All matters?

*cough* oline *cough *cough* penalties

They have completely blown it on the oline and got desperate in the offseason just trying to find experience.

 

[adeltaY]

Siouxhawk, Pete has not adjusted the offense to the Post-Lynch, shit tier OL reality of our personnel. He did for a bit at the end of 2015 but since then the offense has been inconsistent the past 1.5 seasons. We have great games like vs. CAR, at NE, and vs HOU, and awful games like vs. WAS, at TB, and at GB. The variance is too great

 

[Fade]

Familiarity.

The Seahawks and Russ can go off against AFC opponents because they only see the Seahawks 1 time every 4 years. Indy, Tenn, & Hou. All AFC. Every NFC game has been a struggle on offense.

The scheme is just too rudimentary & predictable to be effective against NFC opponents at this point due to Familiarity. Too many plays are DOA as soon as the ball is snapped.

They need a shake up, scheme wise. Both the passing and running game.

When it comes to the runningbacks all they run is inside zone, outside zone, 90% of the time. Think about that. You're the opposing D, and if you take away those 2 runs. Your opponent won't be able to run the ball. What's a counter? What's a trap? What's a blast? What's a keeper? What's a fake the inside zone when the opponent is overplaying it, and check to a toss the other direction when in the gun? The Washington Huskies a college team have more variance in their run game than the Seahawks. It's sad honestly.

What will Pete do? The definition of insanity.