Wilson going NOWHERE

[toffee]

THis is all clickbait for the writer's nothing more. all parties have come out and said no. Clayton said no.

I bet you say know when someone asks you if you swallow also.....

Or like when OJ was asked if he was guilty.



We have seen this stuff play out before, Wilson isn't genuine, he is a Nice player, great Face of the franchise, great supporter of the Children's Hospital and other local charities. But nobody lives by the cliché's he drops so fast you trip over them, he is bad at selling them also.

I am sorry for you.

from your world of tooth fairies and Santa.

 

[Scorpion05]

Look, Wilson is gone. I want him gone. He doesn’t belong here and the fan base has never truly embraced him. He will never have a true legacy here, half the fan base doesn’t even respect him as a good QB. That’s compared to most of the fan base that loves Lynch and the LOB.

I think that what most likely happened here, is someone in Wilson’s circle leaked it like an idiot. Which upset Russ. So he publicly denies it. But Wilson is leaving and should want to leave. The only thing that matters for an athlete is their legacy. Wilson is not going to build his legacy here. Stars in the PNW are always overlooked or under appreciated sometimes by the fans in this very city.

If he goes to Denver or New York, he’ll get way more praise and publicity. His highlights will be all over TV. His games will be on prime time as usual. If he goes to New Orleans he’ll also be very loved but he’ll be in Brees’ shadow to some extent. Go to New York and Denver, and Wilson is easily the most talented QB they’ve had in a decade. The negative narratives against him will be drowned out because his great plays (which aren’t all deep throws) will be all over Sportscenter.

Wilson should be begging to leave. If he stays he’d be a fool in my opinion.

 

[toffee]

Look, Wilson is gone. I want him gone. He doesn’t belong here and the fan base has never truly embraced him. He will never have a true legacy here, half the fan base doesn’t even respect him as a good QB. That’s compared to most of the fan base that loves Lynch and the LOB.

I think that what most likely happened here, is someone in Wilson’s circle leaked it like an idiot. Which upset Russ. So he publicly denies it. But Wilson is leaving and should want to leave. The only thing that matters for an athlete is their legacy. Wilson is not going to build his legacy here. Stars in the PNW are always overlooked or under appreciated sometimes by the fans in this very city.

If he goes to Denver or New York, he’ll get way more praise and publicity. His highlights will be all over TV. His games will be on prime time as usual. If he goes to New Orleans he’ll also be very loved but he’ll be in Brees’ shadow to some extent. Go to New York and Denver, and Wilson is easily the most talented QB they’ve had in a decade. The negative narratives against him will be drowned out because his great plays (which aren’t all deep throws) will be all over Sportscenter.

Wilson should be begging to leave. If he stays he’d be a fool in my opinion.

Please do not sell our first ballot HOF QB short, an accidental bro leak as you have said would be like carpet bombing. This leak was smart bomb, laser and GPS guided, pin point strike. Our Russ kept reminding us, he came from a family with generations of league education, super smart.

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[John63]

Look, Wilson is gone. I want him gone. He doesn’t belong here and the fan base has never truly embraced him. He will never have a true legacy here, half the fan base doesn’t even respect him as a good QB. That’s compared to most of the fan base that loves Lynch and the LOB.

I think that what most likely happened here, is someone in Wilson’s circle leaked it like an idiot. Which upset Russ. So he publicly denies it. But Wilson is leaving and should want to leave. The only thing that matters for an athlete is their legacy. Wilson is not going to build his legacy here. Stars in the PNW are always overlooked or under appreciated sometimes by the fans in this very city.

If he goes to Denver or New York, he’ll get way more praise and publicity. His highlights will be all over TV. His games will be on prime time as usual. If he goes to New Orleans he’ll also be very loved but he’ll be in Brees’ shadow to some extent. Go to New York and Denver, and Wilson is easily the most talented QB they’ve had in a decade. The negative narratives against him will be drowned out because his great plays (which aren’t all deep throws) will be all over Sportscenter.

Wilson should be begging to leave. If he stays he’d be a fool in my opinion.

I agree he should want to leave. But that does not change the fact he did not say it and denied it, the team denied it, and many others. As to if he leaves I believe a lot will depend n on what the hawks do this off-season.

I also agree the PNW sucks when it comes to handling its superstars,

 

[keasley45]

For those that think Russ is going nowhere, what changed between his obviously welcoming an 'out' last year and today?

Or do you think he really didn't want to be traded last year?

He's unhappy in this outdated offense, and ownership isn't choosing a 70 year old relic over him.

We have a playbook pulled verbatim from the most innovative offense in the league, and the passing coordinator from that offense now calling our plays.

And the offense being called by Russ and Shane on Sundays until last week, resembled the offense that Russ has always run.

It was rumored in the past the 'staleness' of the offense was Pete's doing because he always prefers a ground and pound style and is generally not a 'whip the ball around the field' type. That's a philosophy vs concept argument...but anyway.

But when the staleless that was, carries over to the staleless that is, and Pete is hands-off in playcalling and scheming, well, absent more conspiracy theories that have him meddling and actually taking all of the plays away from the guy that he brought in here to work the offense and bring new plays in, that points pretty squarely to the OC and QB as the ones responsible.

And when the OC says point blank that his offense only works when the QB gets the ball put quickly... well that then points to the QB.

And when there's ample evidence and conversations around the league about Russ's ability to read a defense and get the ball where it needs to go, and statistical evidence that

1. His rating falls off sharply when teams expect him to throw.

2. He has been at the bottom ofnthe leagues for most of his career throwing to the shirt middle of the field - and now is in an offense built to utilize that area.

Well then... you can continue to blame a phantom coach for the failures of the passing game if you want. But it ALL starts at the QB.

Russ knows this and that his easiest path forward is to not expose his faukts further in an offense that can't and shouldn't change from run first scheme to a passing one that requires the qb has 5 seconds to make a 1 second read every down.

Unless it all just all of a sudden clicks for him, he's out. And the covering up now in my opinion is likely because this new set of teams he would be willing to go to likely came up in casual conversation with someone who then leaked it. It's not like he denied saying it last year so why wouldn't he speak on the topic now in casual conversation not intended to reach the media? That makes no sense. It was just overheard and leaked.

It also makes no sense for him to do anything publicly other than to say he loves it here... doesn't want to leave. Doing otherwise not only destroys his value but any chance the team has to be competitive this year.

Who the hell wants to play for a guy who's actively talking about turning in his cleats, and playing somewhere else.

Nobody.

 

[John63]

For those that think Russ is going nowhere, what changed between his obviously welcoming an 'out' last year and today?

Or do you think he really didn't want to be traded last year?

He's unhappy in this outdated offense, and ownership isn't choosing a 70 year old relic over him.

We have a playbook pulled verbatim from the most innovative offense in the league, and the passing coordinator from that offense now calling our plays.

And the offense being called by Russ and Shane on Sundays until last week, resembled the offense that Russ has always run.

It was rumored in the past the 'staleness' of the offense was Pete's doing because he always prefers a ground and pound style and is generally not a 'whip the ball around the field' type. That's a philosophy vs concept argument...but anyway.

But when the staleless that was, carries over to the staleless that is, and Pete is hands-off in playcalling and scheming, well, absent more conspiracy theories that have him meddling and actually taking all of the plays away from the guy that he brought in here to work the offense and bring new plays in, that points pretty squarely to the OC and QB as the ones responsible.

And when the OC says point blank that his offense only works when the QB gets the ball put quickly... well that then points to the QB.

And when there's ample evidence and conversations around the league about Russ's ability to read a defense and get the ball where it needs to go, and statistical evidence that

1. His rating falls off sharply when teams expect him to throw.

2. He has been at the bottom ofnthe leagues for most of his career throwing to the shirt middle of the field - and now is in an offense built to utilize that area.

Well then... you can continue to blame a phantom coach for the failures of the passing game if you want. But it ALL starts at the QB.

Russ knows this and that his easiest path forward is to not expose his faukts further in an offense that can't and shouldn't change from run first scheme to a passing one that requires the qb has 5 seconds to make a 1 second read every down.

Unless it all just all of a sudden clicks for him, he's out. And the covering up now in my opinion is likely because this new set of teams he would be willing to go to likely came up in casual conversation with someone who then leaked it. It's not like he denied saying it last year so why wouldn't he speak on the topic now in casual conversation not intended to reach the media? That makes no sense. It was just overheard and leaked.

It also makes no sense for him to do anything publicly other than to say he loves it here... doesn't want to leave. Doing otherwise not only destroys his value but any chance the team has to be competitive this year.

Who the hell wants to play for a guy who's actively talking about turning in his cleats, and playing somewhere else.

Nobody.

Except he did not say it. So again your wrong.

 

[HawkOG70’]

We'll know more obviously after the season but I'm inclind to think Wilson stays and plays out his contract. This year's hit is the biggest cap hit in the league at $36 mil. Next year his hit will be less. If Jody does anything I say she gets rid of Pete Carroll. Schneider is still one of the better GM's in the league regardless of what a few in here think. He's built years and years of playoff teams and contenders through the draft which is why he deserves more latitude in regards to his future with the team.

GO HAWKS!!!

 

[keasley45]

For those that think Russ is going nowhere, what changed between his obviously welcoming an 'out' last year and today?

Or do you think he really didn't want to be traded last year?

He's unhappy in this outdated offense, and ownership isn't choosing a 70 year old relic over him.

We have a playbook pulled verbatim from the most innovative offense in the league, and the passing coordinator from that offense now calling our plays.

And the offense being called by Russ and Shane on Sundays until last week, resembled the offense that Russ has always run.

It was rumored in the past the 'staleness' of the offense was Pete's doing because he always prefers a ground and pound style and is generally not a 'whip the ball around the field' type. That's a philosophy vs concept argument...but anyway.

But when the staleless that was, carries over to the staleless that is, and Pete is hands-off in playcalling and scheming, well, absent more conspiracy theories that have him meddling and actually taking all of the plays away from the guy that he brought in here to work the offense and bring new plays in, that points pretty squarely to the OC and QB as the ones responsible.

And when the OC says point blank that his offense only works when the QB gets the ball put quickly... well that then points to the QB.

And when there's ample evidence and conversations around the league about Russ's ability to read a defense and get the ball where it needs to go, and statistical evidence that

1. His rating falls off sharply when teams expect him to throw.

2. He has been at the bottom ofnthe leagues for most of his career throwing to the shirt middle of the field - and now is in an offense built to utilize that area.

Well then... you can continue to blame a phantom coach for the failures of the passing game if you want. But it ALL starts at the QB.

Russ knows this and that his easiest path forward is to not expose his faukts further in an offense that can't and shouldn't change from run first scheme to a passing one that requires the qb has 5 seconds to make a 1 second read every down.

Unless it all just all of a sudden clicks for him, he's out. And the covering up now in my opinion is likely because this new set of teams he would be willing to go to likely came up in casual conversation with someone who then leaked it. It's not like he denied saying it last year so why wouldn't he speak on the topic now in casual conversation not intended to reach the media? That makes no sense. It was just overheard and leaked.

It also makes no sense for him to do anything publicly other than to say he loves it here... doesn't want to leave. Doing otherwise not only destroys his value but any chance the team has to be competitive this year.

Who the hell wants to play for a guy who's actively talking about turning in his cleats, and playing somewhere else.

Nobody.

Except he did not say it. So again your wrong.

Ok. You're right. I'm wrong.

 

[toffee]

For those that think Russ is going nowhere, what changed between his obviously welcoming an 'out' last year and today?

Or do you think he really didn't want to be traded last year?

He's unhappy in this outdated offense, and ownership isn't choosing a 70 year old relic over him.

We have a playbook pulled verbatim from the most innovative offense in the league, and the passing coordinator from that offense now calling our plays.

And the offense being called by Russ and Shane on Sundays until last week, resembled the offense that Russ has always run.

It was rumored in the past the 'staleness' of the offense was Pete's doing because he always prefers a ground and pound style and is generally not a 'whip the ball around the field' type. That's a philosophy vs concept argument...but anyway.

But when the staleless that was, carries over to the staleless that is, and Pete is hands-off in playcalling and scheming, well, absent more conspiracy theories that have him meddling and actually taking all of the plays away from the guy that he brought in here to work the offense and bring new plays in, that points pretty squarely to the OC and QB as the ones responsible.

And when the OC says point blank that his offense only works when the QB gets the ball put quickly... well that then points to the QB.

And when there's ample evidence and conversations around the league about Russ's ability to read a defense and get the ball where it needs to go, and statistical evidence that

1. His rating falls off sharply when teams expect him to throw.

2. He has been at the bottom ofnthe leagues for most of his career throwing to the shirt middle of the field - and now is in an offense built to utilize that area.

Well then... you can continue to blame a phantom coach for the failures of the passing game if you want. But it ALL starts at the QB.

Russ knows this and that his easiest path forward is to not expose his faukts further in an offense that can't and shouldn't change from run first scheme to a passing one that requires the qb has 5 seconds to make a 1 second read every down.

Unless it all just all of a sudden clicks for him, he's out. And the covering up now in my opinion is likely because this new set of teams he would be willing to go to likely came up in casual conversation with someone who then leaked it. It's not like he denied saying it last year so why wouldn't he speak on the topic now in casual conversation not intended to reach the media? That makes no sense. It was just overheard and leaked.

It also makes no sense for him to do anything publicly other than to say he loves it here... doesn't want to leave. Doing otherwise not only destroys his value but any chance the team has to be competitive this year.

Who the hell wants to play for a guy who's actively talking about turning in his cleats, and playing somewhere else.

Nobody.

Foundamentally, did 1. PeteBall of using run to set up play action passes powered Wilson? Or, 2. PeteBall restricted Russ's growth.

Evidentially, Russ believes in 2 based on let Wilson cook

We shall see.


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[Scorpion05]

For those that think Russ is going nowhere, what changed between his obviously welcoming an 'out' last year and today?

Or do you think he really didn't want to be traded last year?

He's unhappy in this outdated offense, and ownership isn't choosing a 70 year old relic over him.

We have a playbook pulled verbatim from the most innovative offense in the league, and the passing coordinator from that offense now calling our plays.

And the offense being called by Russ and Shane on Sundays until last week, resembled the offense that Russ has always run.

It was rumored in the past the 'staleness' of the offense was Pete's doing because he always prefers a ground and pound style and is generally not a 'whip the ball around the field' type. That's a philosophy vs concept argument...but anyway.

But when the staleless that was, carries over to the staleless that is, and Pete is hands-off in playcalling and scheming, well, absent more conspiracy theories that have him meddling and actually taking all of the plays away from the guy that he brought in here to work the offense and bring new plays in, that points pretty squarely to the OC and QB as the ones responsible.

And when the OC says point blank that his offense only works when the QB gets the ball put quickly... well that then points to the QB.

And when there's ample evidence and conversations around the league about Russ's ability to read a defense and get the ball where it needs to go, and statistical evidence that

1. His rating falls off sharply when teams expect him to throw.

2. He has been at the bottom ofnthe leagues for most of his career throwing to the shirt middle of the field - and now is in an offense built to utilize that area.

Well then... you can continue to blame a phantom coach for the failures of the passing game if you want. But it ALL starts at the QB.

Russ knows this and that his easiest path forward is to not expose his faukts further in an offense that can't and shouldn't change from run first scheme to a passing one that requires the qb has 5 seconds to make a 1 second read every down.

Unless it all just all of a sudden clicks for him, he's out. And the covering up now in my opinion is likely because this new set of teams he would be willing to go to likely came up in casual conversation with someone who then leaked it. It's not like he denied saying it last year so why wouldn't he speak on the topic now in casual conversation not intended to reach the media? That makes no sense. It was just overheard and leaked.

It also makes no sense for him to do anything publicly other than to say he loves it here... doesn't want to leave. Doing otherwise not only destroys his value but any chance the team has to be competitive this year.

Who the hell wants to play for a guy who's actively talking about turning in his cleats, and playing somewhere else.

Nobody.

This is not the Rams offense lol. I know your first priority is criticize Wilson at all costs. But that is simply…a lie. Chris Simms, Greg Cosell, several analysts have watched the film and concluded that the offense has barely changed between the 3 coordinators.

We have actual quotes from Pete Carroll, and former players who have suggested that Russ doesn’t have full control of the offense.

We have actual drafts spanning 5+ years, showing how little the Seahawks have invested in Russ compared to other short QBs in the league had their team do for them (Baker, Kyler).

You’ve all been trying to convince us that a QB who is top 3 in the league in touchdowns for 3+ years now, is a severely flawed QB who can’t read defenses or throw over the middle. A QB that is a one read QB, who has a career time to throw of 5 seconds. A QB that is horrible against the blitz, and never beats disguised coverages. And you hope that no one will be able to point out the exaggerations and fibs by watching the film themselves also. It’s a borderline obsession with framing a man as a boy. One whose brain and capabilities are too small to play the position.

Russ is not a deity, if he was that flawed I’d have no problem saying he’s garbage. But the actual issue here, is that he’s nitpicked and criticized extremely. I’ve said before that McNabb was treated similarly with the Eagles fan base, but at least that was a little more justified (he’s still the best QB in their franchise’s history). Russ has done almost everything right as the face of the franchise and as a QB. But that doesn’t matter, there must be something you guys need to find to diminish him. So yea, the big story is that the Seahawks have neglected their QB in an outdated offense. The bigger story, is that a QB who should be loved by the fan base, gets crapped and sh**ted on constantly on here. And anyone who defends him is deemed as a fanboy or crazy, as opposed to someone just calling out basic wrongs. No fair minded, objective person outside of the Seahawks fan base, will turn their nose at Russ’ production year after year. He’s proven he only needs a moderate running game and decent receivers to be a top 5 scorer, and is accurate at almost every level of the field. Another fan base will love him. The one who gets the last laugh controls the narrative.

 

[John63]

This is not the Rams offense lol. I know your first priority is criticize Wilson at all costs. But that is simply…a lie. Chris Simms, Greg Cosell, several analysts have watched the film and concluded that the offense has barely changed between the 3 coordinators.

We have actual quotes from Pete Carroll, and former players who have suggested that Russ doesn’t have full control of the offense.

We have actual drafts spanning 5+ years, showing how little the Seahawks have invested in Russ compared to other short QBs in the league had their team do for them (Baker, Kyler).

You’ve all been trying to convince us that a QB who is top 3 in the league in touchdowns for 3+ years now, is a severely flawed QB who can’t read defenses or throw over the middle. A QB that is a one read QB, who has a career time to throw of 5 seconds. A QB that is horrible against the blitz, and never beats disguised coverages. And you hope that no one will be able to point out the exaggerations and fibs by watching the film themselves also. It’s a borderline obsession with framing a man as a boy. One whose brain and capabilities are too small to play the position.

Russ is not a deity, if he was that flawed I’d have no problem saying he’s garbage. But the actual issue here, is that he’s nitpicked and criticized extremely. I’ve said before that McNabb was treated similarly with the Eagles fan base, but at least that was a little more justified (he’s still the best QB in their franchise’s history). Russ has done almost everything right as the face of the franchise and as a QB. But that doesn’t matter, there must be something you guys need to find to diminish him. So yea, the big story is that the Seahawks have neglected their QB in an outdated offense. The bigger story, is that a QB who should be loved by the fan base, gets crapped and sh**ted on constantly on here. And anyone who defends him is deemed as a fanboy or crazy, as opposed to someone just calling out basic wrongs. No fair minded, objective person outside of the Seahawks fan base, will turn their nose at Russ’ production year after year. He’s proven he only needs a moderate running game and decent receivers to be a top 5 scorer, and is accurate at almost every level of the field. Another fan base will love him. The one who gets the last laugh controls the narrative.

Great post. Also interesting how they say things like his passer rating goes down significantly when they know he is passing with out any proof. So what is the rating when they know he will pass? What are other QBs. But nothing. More bs.

 

[HawkOG70’]

For those that think Russ is going nowhere, what changed between his obviously welcoming an 'out' last year and today?

Or do you think he really didn't want to be traded last year?

He's unhappy in this outdated offense, and ownership isn't choosing a 70 year old relic over him.

We have a playbook pulled verbatim from the most innovative offense in the league, and the passing coordinator from that offense now calling our plays.

And the offense being called by Russ and Shane on Sundays until last week, resembled the offense that Russ has always run.

It was rumored in the past the 'staleness' of the offense was Pete's doing because he always prefers a ground and pound style and is generally not a 'whip the ball around the field' type. That's a philosophy vs concept argument...but anyway.

But when the staleless that was, carries over to the staleless that is, and Pete is hands-off in playcalling and scheming, well, absent more conspiracy theories that have him meddling and actually taking all of the plays away from the guy that he brought in here to work the offense and bring new plays in, that points pretty squarely to the OC and QB as the ones responsible.

And when the OC says point blank that his offense only works when the QB gets the ball put quickly... well that then points to the QB.

And when there's ample evidence and conversations around the league about Russ's ability to read a defense and get the ball where it needs to go, and statistical evidence that

1. His rating falls off sharply when teams expect him to throw.

2. He has been at the bottom ofnthe leagues for most of his career throwing to the shirt middle of the field - and now is in an offense built to utilize that area.

Well then... you can continue to blame a phantom coach for the failures of the passing game if you want. But it ALL starts at the QB.

Russ knows this and that his easiest path forward is to not expose his faukts further in an offense that can't and shouldn't change from run first scheme to a passing one that requires the qb has 5 seconds to make a 1 second read every down.

Unless it all just all of a sudden clicks for him, he's out. And the covering up now in my opinion is likely because this new set of teams he would be willing to go to likely came up in casual conversation with someone who then leaked it. It's not like he denied saying it last year so why wouldn't he speak on the topic now in casual conversation not intended to reach the media? That makes no sense. It was just overheard and leaked.

It also makes no sense for him to do anything publicly other than to say he loves it here... doesn't want to leave. Doing otherwise not only destroys his value but any chance the team has to be competitive this year.

Who the hell wants to play for a guy who's actively talking about turning in his cleats, and playing somewhere else.

Nobody.

This is not the Rams offense lol. I know your first priority is criticize Wilson at all costs. But that is simply…a lie. Chris Simms, Greg Cosell, several analysts have watched the film and concluded that the offense has barely changed between the 3 coordinators.

We have actual quotes from Pete Carroll, and former players who have suggested that Russ doesn’t have full control of the offense.

We have actual drafts spanning 5+ years, showing how little the Seahawks have invested in Russ compared to other short QBs in the league had their team do for them (Baker, Kyler).

You’ve all been trying to convince us that a QB who is top 3 in the league in touchdowns for 3+ years now, is a severely flawed QB who can’t read defenses or throw over the middle. A QB that is a one read QB, who has a career time to throw of 5 seconds. A QB that is horrible against the blitz, and never beats disguised coverages. And you hope that no one will be able to point out the exaggerations and fibs by watching the film themselves also. It’s a borderline obsession with framing a man as a boy. One whose brain and capabilities are too small to play the position.

Russ is not a deity, if he was that flawed I’d have no problem saying he’s garbage. But the actual issue here, is that he’s nitpicked and criticized extremely. I’ve said before that McNabb was treated similarly with the Eagles fan base, but at least that was a little more justified (he’s still the best QB in their franchise’s history). Russ has done almost everything right as the face of the franchise and as a QB. But that doesn’t matter, there must be something you guys need to find to diminish him. So yea, the big story is that the Seahawks have neglected their QB in an outdated offense. The bigger story, is that a QB who should be loved by the fan base, gets crapped and sh**ted on constantly on here. And anyone who defends him is deemed as a fanboy or crazy, as opposed to someone just calling out basic wrongs. No fair minded, objective person outside of the Seahawks fan base, will turn their nose at Russ’ production year after year. He’s proven he only needs a moderate running game and decent receivers to be a top 5 scorer, and is accurate at almost every level of the field. Another fan base will love him. The one who gets the last laugh controls the narrative.

Until they take time after celebrating to ingest his cap hit. He isn't good enough to carry a team by himself and at the same time justify the cost and toll it takes at other position groups like O line. Get real man he's good but look at Cousins he's balling out statistically. Our fans have the right to nit pick. In fact take a seat. No more cred for you ukeface: :rumble:

 

[Throwdown]

The haters are going to be seething at this folks. Reports are Wilson intends to stay in Seattle until his contract is up and then some. You can go ahead and close the bidding threads.

"Russell Wilson says he not only intends to fulfill his Seahawks contract that ends after 2023 season, he wants to play for Seattle for "20 years." "I love this place. I love this space.""

https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... 83361?s=20

Well this is an unfortunate development

 

[John63]

He's unhappy in this outdated offense, and ownership isn't choosing a 70 year old relic over him.

We have a playbook pulled verbatim from the most innovative offense in the league, and the passing coordinator from that offense now calling our plays.

And the offense being called by Russ and Shane on Sundays until last week, resembled the offense that Russ has always run.

It was rumored in the past the 'staleness' of the offense was Pete's doing because he always prefers a ground and pound style and is generally not a 'whip the ball around the field' type. That's a philosophy vs concept argument...but anyway.

But when the staleless that was, carries over to the staleless that is, and Pete is hands-off in playcalling and scheming, well, absent more conspiracy theories that have him meddling and actually taking all of the plays away from the guy that he brought in here to work the offense and bring new plays in, that points pretty squarely to the OC and QB as the ones responsible.

And when the OC says point blank that his offense only works when the QB gets the ball put quickly... well that then points to the QB.

And when there's ample evidence and conversations around the league about Russ's ability to read a defense and get the ball where it needs to go, and statistical evidence that

1. His rating falls off sharply when teams expect him to throw.

2. He has been at the bottom ofnthe leagues for most of his career throwing to the shirt middle of the field - and now is in an offense built to utilize that area.

Well then... you can continue to blame a phantom coach for the failures of the passing game if you want. But it ALL starts at the QB.

Russ knows this and that his easiest path forward is to not expose his faukts further in an offense that can't and shouldn't change from run first scheme to a passing one that requires the qb has 5 seconds to make a 1 second read every down.

Unless it all just all of a sudden clicks for him, he's out. And the covering up now in my opinion is likely because this new set of teams he would be willing to go to likely came up in casual conversation with someone who then leaked it. It's not like he denied saying it last year so why wouldn't he speak on the topic now in casual conversation not intended to reach the media? That makes no sense. It was just overheard and leaked.

It also makes no sense for him to do anything publicly other than to say he loves it here... doesn't want to leave. Doing otherwise not only destroys his value but any chance the team has to be competitive this year.

Who the hell wants to play for a guy who's actively talking about turning in his cleats, and playing somewhere else.

Nobody.

This is not the Rams offense lol. I know your first priority is criticize Wilson at all costs. But that is simply…a lie. Chris Simms, Greg Cosell, several analysts have watched the film and concluded that the offense has barely changed between the 3 coordinators.

We have actual quotes from Pete Carroll, and former players who have suggested that Russ doesn’t have full control of the offense.

We have actual drafts spanning 5+ years, showing how little the Seahawks have invested in Russ compared to other short QBs in the league had their team do for them (Baker, Kyler).

You’ve all been trying to convince us that a QB who is top 3 in the league in touchdowns for 3+ years now, is a severely flawed QB who can’t read defenses or throw over the middle. A QB that is a one read QB, who has a career time to throw of 5 seconds. A QB that is horrible against the blitz, and never beats disguised coverages. And you hope that no one will be able to point out the exaggerations and fibs by watching the film themselves also. It’s a borderline obsession with framing a man as a boy. One whose brain and capabilities are too small to play the position.

Russ is not a deity, if he was that flawed I’d have no problem saying he’s garbage. But the actual issue here, is that he’s nitpicked and criticized extremely. I’ve said before that McNabb was treated similarly with the Eagles fan base, but at least that was a little more justified (he’s still the best QB in their franchise’s history). Russ has done almost everything right as the face of the franchise and as a QB. But that doesn’t matter, there must be something you guys need to find to diminish him. So yea, the big story is that the Seahawks have neglected their QB in an outdated offense. The bigger story, is that a QB who should be loved by the fan base, gets crapped and sh**ted on constantly on here. And anyone who defends him is deemed as a fanboy or crazy, as opposed to someone just calling out basic wrongs. No fair minded, objective person outside of the Seahawks fan base, will turn their nose at Russ’ production year after year. He’s proven he only needs a moderate running game and decent receivers to be a top 5 scorer, and is accurate at almost every level of the field. Another fan base will love him. The one who gets the last laugh controls the narrative.

Until they take time after celebrating to ingest his cap hit. He isn't good enough to carry a team by himself and at the same time justify the cost and toll it takes at other position groups like O line. Get real man he's good but look at Cousins he's balling out statistically. Our fans have the right to nit pick. In fact take a seat. No more cred for you ukeface: :rumble:

Ahh so you are saying Wilson is like every other Qb Brady, Mahomes, Montana because none of them could win it by themselves. So thanks.

 

[John63]

The haters are going to be seething at this folks. Reports are Wilson intends to stay in Seattle until his contract is up and then some. You can go ahead and close the bidding threads.

"Russell Wilson says he not only intends to fulfill his Seahawks contract that ends after 2023 season, he wants to play for Seattle for "20 years." "I love this place. I love this space.""

https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... 83361?s=20

Well this is an unfortunate development

Not if you want to win it's not.

 

[Throwdown]

The haters are going to be seething at this folks. Reports are Wilson intends to stay in Seattle until his contract is up and then some. You can go ahead and close the bidding threads.

"Russell Wilson says he not only intends to fulfill his Seahawks contract that ends after 2023 season, he wants to play for Seattle for "20 years." "I love this place. I love this space.""

https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... 83361?s=20

Well this is an unfortunate development

Not if you want to win it's not.

Win regular season games or championships?

Cuz the latter isn’t gonna happen ever again for Donovan McNabb 2.0

 

[John63]

The haters are going to be seething at this folks. Reports are Wilson intends to stay in Seattle until his contract is up and then some. You can go ahead and close the bidding threads.

"Russell Wilson says he not only intends to fulfill his Seahawks contract that ends after 2023 season, he wants to play for Seattle for "20 years." "I love this place. I love this space.""

https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... 83361?s=20

Well this is an unfortunate development

Not if you want to win it's not.

Win regular season games or championships?

Cuz the latter isn’t gonna happen ever again for Donovan McNabb 2.0

Can't get to the playoffs with out winning I the regular season. As to never Well since you know that what are the lotto numbers? As to McNabb when did he win a SB exactly? Oh wait he did not. So your comparison is wrong.

 

[Throwdown]

Well this is an unfortunate development

Not if you want to win it's not.

Win regular season games or championships?

Cuz the latter isn’t gonna happen ever again for Donovan McNabb 2.0

Can't get to the playoffs with out winning I the regular season. As to never Well since you know that what are the lotto numbers? As to McNabb when did he win a SB exactly? Oh wait he did not. So your comparison is wrong.

It’s valid, mcnabb never got carried by an all time great defense

 

[keasley45]

https://www-nfl-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ ... -offseason

 

[pmedic920]

Here’s what I know for a fact about this situation…………










……..absolutely nothing.