Wilson going NOWHERE

[RiverDog]

Here’s what I know for a fact about this situation…………










……..absolutely nothing.

LOL! A truly profound pearl of wisdom. Sort of like the old saying "X plus $.25 will buy you a cup of coffee", except that $.25 is more like $5.00 nowadays.

 

[olyfan63]

For those that think Russ is going nowhere, what changed between his obviously welcoming an 'out' last year and today?

Or do you think he really didn't want to be traded last year?

He's unhappy in this outdated offense, and ownership isn't choosing a 70 year old relic over him.

We have a playbook pulled verbatim from the most innovative offense in the league, and the passing coordinator from that offense now calling our plays.

And the offense being called by Russ and Shane on Sundays until last week, resembled the offense that Russ has always run.

It was rumored in the past the 'staleness' of the offense was Pete's doing because he always prefers a ground and pound style and is generally not a 'whip the ball around the field' type. That's a philosophy vs concept argument...but anyway.

But when the staleless that was, carries over to the staleless that is, and Pete is hands-off in playcalling and scheming, well, absent more conspiracy theories that have him meddling and actually taking all of the plays away from the guy that he brought in here to work the offense and bring new plays in, that points pretty squarely to the OC and QB as the ones responsible.

And when the OC says point blank that his offense only works when the QB gets the ball put quickly... well that then points to the QB.

And when there's ample evidence and conversations around the league about Russ's ability to read a defense and get the ball where it needs to go, and statistical evidence that

1. His rating falls off sharply when teams expect him to throw.

2. He has been at the bottom ofnthe leagues for most of his career throwing to the shirt middle of the field - and now is in an offense built to utilize that area.

Well then... you can continue to blame a phantom coach for the failures of the passing game if you want. But it ALL starts at the QB.

Russ knows this and that his easiest path forward is to not expose his faukts further in an offense that can't and shouldn't change from run first scheme to a passing one that requires the qb has 5 seconds to make a 1 second read every down.

Unless it all just all of a sudden clicks for him, he's out. And the covering up now in my opinion is likely because this new set of teams he would be willing to go to likely came up in casual conversation with someone who then leaked it. It's not like he denied saying it last year so why wouldn't he speak on the topic now in casual conversation not intended to reach the media? That makes no sense. It was just overheard and leaked.

It also makes no sense for him to do anything publicly other than to say he loves it here... doesn't want to leave. Doing otherwise not only destroys his value but any chance the team has to be competitive this year.

Who the hell wants to play for a guy who's actively talking about turning in his cleats, and playing somewhere else.

Nobody.

Yup, unbelievable a couple posts in this thread where people complained about outdated, stale offense holding Russell back, after, as you point out, Pete went out and got Waldron, part of the braintrust for what many consider the most modern, innovative NFL offense, the McVay Rams offense. The one truly unchanged variable in the hated "Peteball" formula is Russell Wilson.

You and a couple others have had this nailed and explained it well in numerous threads and given expert references (Kurt Warner breakdown of Rams playoff game, among several others).

It's comical and sad watching Russell-as-deity worshippers refuse to see that he's only a superhero with superpowers and not a deity. Against teams that know Russell's secret and possess some kryptonite--strong pass rush and run 2-high safeties (Rams, Cardinals), Russell is stripped of his superpowers and looks like a very flawed mortal. The Cards finally caught on in the OT game last year. Rams have known about Russell's kryptonite problem, and brandished kryptonite at Russell since the Jeff Fisher era, hence our years-long "matchup struggles" with them.

For Russell to play like Superman, he needs the dual lead shields of 1) A strong, bullying power running game that can force defenses out of 2-High and rush for 200+ yards against defenses that try to stay in it; and 2) An elite defense that can erase Russell's mistakes and ineffectiveness against teams that know his kryptonite secret. Yes, It would be nice to also have 3) An O-Line that can pass-protect for 3+ seconds. However, the 2013 and 2014 seasons proved that 1) and 2) are sufficient to put the Hawks in position to win a Lombardi with Russell.

I believe Pete is doing his best to get the team back to Lombardi-capable, despite huge payroll committed to Russell, but has been held back by self-inflicted wounds of roster overall talent level deficiencies resulting from poor drafts and questionable trades. I suspect the team has hedged its bets by bringing in Waldron and a more modern offense, and trying to both make Russell a little more kryptonite-resistant (ball out quicker against good pass-rushing teams) and trying to prepare the team for a different style of QB if Russell gets moved, by running an offense that does not depend so heavily on Russell's superpowers, and could be run with success by other types of QBs.

Pete and Waldron stay at least another year, and Russell stays if he buys in and commits to becoming more kryptonite-resistant, which I believe he *finally* has, starting with the second 49ers game. However, the team *might* move Russell if they get an offer too good to refuse, e.g., 3 firsts and good player(s) who offset Russell's cap. However, with Russell's no-trade clause, I would expect he would only accept trades to teams with his kryptonite shields, e.g., a top running game, good pass-protecting O-Line, and a top-5ish defense. That narrows the range of possibilities a bit; finding a team with those qualities that is interested enough in Russell and has that kind of draft capital. Those conditions would seem so hard to meet I expect to see Russell in a Seahawks uni again next year.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

So, now Russ is Mcnabb 2.0? And it's unfortunate he wants to stay? And Russ was carried by the defense? Gotta' love the classics..........
What an absolute crap show this place can be. They don't get to EITHER Super Bowl without Russ. Or w/out the Defense or Lynch. Period. But the fact that people actually think they would be just fine w/out Russ?
Thanks for the Monday laugh. It's idiotic comments like this that make me want him to stay even longer? Why? Because I know how much it would bother some people.

 

[LTH]

For those that think Russ is going nowhere, what changed between his obviously welcoming an 'out' last year and today?

Or do you think he really didn't want to be traded last year?

He's unhappy in this outdated offense, and ownership isn't choosing a 70 year old relic over him.

We have a playbook pulled verbatim from the most innovative offense in the league, and the passing coordinator from that offense now calling our plays.

And the offense being called by Russ and Shane on Sundays until last week, resembled the offense that Russ has always run.

It was rumored in the past the 'staleness' of the offense was Pete's doing because he always prefers a ground and pound style and is generally not a 'whip the ball around the field' type. That's a philosophy vs concept argument...but anyway.

But when the staleless that was, carries over to the staleless that is, and Pete is hands-off in playcalling and scheming, well, absent more conspiracy theories that have him meddling and actually taking all of the plays away from the guy that he brought in here to work the offense and bring new plays in, that points pretty squarely to the OC and QB as the ones responsible.

And when the OC says point blank that his offense only works when the QB gets the ball put quickly... well that then points to the QB.

And when there's ample evidence and conversations around the league about Russ's ability to read a defense and get the ball where it needs to go, and statistical evidence that

1. His rating falls off sharply when teams expect him to throw.

2. He has been at the bottom ofnthe leagues for most of his career throwing to the shirt middle of the field - and now is in an offense built to utilize that area.

Well then... you can continue to blame a phantom coach for the failures of the passing game if you want. But it ALL starts at the QB.

Russ knows this and that his easiest path forward is to not expose his faukts further in an offense that can't and shouldn't change from run first scheme to a passing one that requires the qb has 5 seconds to make a 1 second read every down.

Unless it all just all of a sudden clicks for him, he's out. And the covering up now in my opinion is likely because this new set of teams he would be willing to go to likely came up in casual conversation with someone who then leaked it. It's not like he denied saying it last year so why wouldn't he speak on the topic now in casual conversation not intended to reach the media? That makes no sense. It was just overheard and leaked.

It also makes no sense for him to do anything publicly other than to say he loves it here... doesn't want to leave. Doing otherwise not only destroys his value but any chance the team has to be competitive this year.

Who the hell wants to play for a guy who's actively talking about turning in his cleats, and playing somewhere else.

Nobody.

This is not the Rams offense lol. I know your first priority is criticize Wilson at all costs. But that is simply…a lie. Chris Simms, Greg Cosell, several analysts have watched the film and concluded that the offense has barely changed between the 3 coordinators.

We have actual quotes from Pete Carroll, and former players who have suggested that Russ doesn’t have full control of the offense.

We have actual drafts spanning 5+ years, showing how little the Seahawks have invested in Russ compared to other short QBs in the league had their team do for them (Baker, Kyler).

You’ve all been trying to convince us that a QB who is top 3 in the league in touchdowns for 3+ years now, is a severely flawed QB who can’t read defenses or throw over the middle. A QB that is a one read QB, who has a career time to throw of 5 seconds. A QB that is horrible against the blitz, and never beats disguised coverages. And you hope that no one will be able to point out the exaggerations and fibs by watching the film themselves also. It’s a borderline obsession with framing a man as a boy. One whose brain and capabilities are too small to play the position.

Russ is not a deity, if he was that flawed I’d have no problem saying he’s garbage. But the actual issue here, is that he’s nitpicked and criticized extremely. I’ve said before that McNabb was treated similarly with the Eagles fan base, but at least that was a little more justified (he’s still the best QB in their franchise’s history). Russ has done almost everything right as the face of the franchise and as a QB. But that doesn’t matter, there must be something you guys need to find to diminish him. So yea, the big story is that the Seahawks have neglected their QB in an outdated offense. The bigger story, is that a QB who should be loved by the fan base, gets crapped and sh**ted on constantly on here. And anyone who defends him is deemed as a fanboy or crazy, as opposed to someone just calling out basic wrongs. No fair minded, objective person outside of the Seahawks fan base, will turn their nose at Russ’ production year after year. He’s proven he only needs a moderate running game and decent receivers to be a top 5 scorer, and is accurate at almost every level of the field. Another fan base will love him. The one who gets the last laugh controls the narrative.

Wow you guys are really something...

Here is whats going on...

Yes, Keasley45 is right in his assessment of what WAS going on with Russ up until the part where he makes the assumption that it's not correctible...It is correctible, and it looks like they have corrected it. we will see against the Rams.

It's my assertion that even though Wilson did have the read problems last year and even before last year they got Waldron to fix that. What has happened is that Russ got hurt, he probably came back a little early and had some accuracy issues and needed to get back into rhythm of the game... but there was another issue and that is that Waldron's O is asking Wilson to change his game to releasing the ball quicker and stepping into the pocket Keasley45 explained this many times. Wilson's game has always been to hold onto the ball and create a big play on the run. This is what he has been doing for 9 years. Wilson needed to make the adjustment to Waldron's O, and it was a big adjustment for him.

The last game against the the Texans is how Carrolls O is supposed to look like. So th people that are arguing against Keasly45 you are wrong that Carrolls O is outdated because Carrolls O, which is combined with Waldron's O is working just fine... Carroll wants balance and Sunday that's exactly what we saw. 27 passes for 260 yards and 2 TD's and a run game 28 attempts for like 197 yards. If you look around the league the best teams are running the ball look at GB. they just needed some time to get good at it because it is new. and No the O line is not crap...you will see this o line improve once they get some continuity and it will improve as Wilson gets rid of the ball faster.

So, this whole argument is based off of extremes rather than what it is. Yes, Wilson and Carroll can co-exist, and no Carrolls Offense is NOT outdated...

This is my take


LTH

 

[John63]

Not if you want to win it's not.

Win regular season games or championships?

Cuz the latter isn’t gonna happen ever again for Donovan McNabb 2.0

Can't get to the playoffs with out winning I the regular season. As to never Well since you know that what are the lotto numbers? As to McNabb when did he win a SB exactly? Oh wait he did not. So your comparison is wrong.

It’s valid, mcnabb never got carried by an all time great defense

it's invalid and guess what Wilson has not been carried by al time greats his whole career either. I suggest you look at all the Sb winning QWBs you will find they all had a lot of all pros and HOF on those teams. No QB has done it all by themselves. NONE, not Brady., Manning, Elway, Rodgers none of them.

 

[John63]

He's unhappy in this outdated offense, and ownership isn't choosing a 70 year old relic over him.

We have a playbook pulled verbatim from the most innovative offense in the league, and the passing coordinator from that offense now calling our plays.

And the offense being called by Russ and Shane on Sundays until last week, resembled the offense that Russ has always run.

It was rumored in the past the 'staleness' of the offense was Pete's doing because he always prefers a ground and pound style and is generally not a 'whip the ball around the field' type. That's a philosophy vs concept argument...but anyway.

But when the staleless that was, carries over to the staleless that is, and Pete is hands-off in playcalling and scheming, well, absent more conspiracy theories that have him meddling and actually taking all of the plays away from the guy that he brought in here to work the offense and bring new plays in, that points pretty squarely to the OC and QB as the ones responsible.

And when the OC says point blank that his offense only works when the QB gets the ball put quickly... well that then points to the QB.

And when there's ample evidence and conversations around the league about Russ's ability to read a defense and get the ball where it needs to go, and statistical evidence that

1. His rating falls off sharply when teams expect him to throw.

2. He has been at the bottom ofnthe leagues for most of his career throwing to the shirt middle of the field - and now is in an offense built to utilize that area.

Well then... you can continue to blame a phantom coach for the failures of the passing game if you want. But it ALL starts at the QB.

Russ knows this and that his easiest path forward is to not expose his faukts further in an offense that can't and shouldn't change from run first scheme to a passing one that requires the qb has 5 seconds to make a 1 second read every down.

Unless it all just all of a sudden clicks for him, he's out. And the covering up now in my opinion is likely because this new set of teams he would be willing to go to likely came up in casual conversation with someone who then leaked it. It's not like he denied saying it last year so why wouldn't he speak on the topic now in casual conversation not intended to reach the media? That makes no sense. It was just overheard and leaked.

It also makes no sense for him to do anything publicly other than to say he loves it here... doesn't want to leave. Doing otherwise not only destroys his value but any chance the team has to be competitive this year.

Who the hell wants to play for a guy who's actively talking about turning in his cleats, and playing somewhere else.

Nobody.

This is not the Rams offense lol. I know your first priority is criticize Wilson at all costs. But that is simply…a lie. Chris Simms, Greg Cosell, several analysts have watched the film and concluded that the offense has barely changed between the 3 coordinators.

We have actual quotes from Pete Carroll, and former players who have suggested that Russ doesn’t have full control of the offense.

We have actual drafts spanning 5+ years, showing how little the Seahawks have invested in Russ compared to other short QBs in the league had their team do for them (Baker, Kyler).

You’ve all been trying to convince us that a QB who is top 3 in the league in touchdowns for 3+ years now, is a severely flawed QB who can’t read defenses or throw over the middle. A QB that is a one read QB, who has a career time to throw of 5 seconds. A QB that is horrible against the blitz, and never beats disguised coverages. And you hope that no one will be able to point out the exaggerations and fibs by watching the film themselves also. It’s a borderline obsession with framing a man as a boy. One whose brain and capabilities are too small to play the position.

Russ is not a deity, if he was that flawed I’d have no problem saying he’s garbage. But the actual issue here, is that he’s nitpicked and criticized extremely. I’ve said before that McNabb was treated similarly with the Eagles fan base, but at least that was a little more justified (he’s still the best QB in their franchise’s history). Russ has done almost everything right as the face of the franchise and as a QB. But that doesn’t matter, there must be something you guys need to find to diminish him. So yea, the big story is that the Seahawks have neglected their QB in an outdated offense. The bigger story, is that a QB who should be loved by the fan base, gets crapped and sh**ted on constantly on here. And anyone who defends him is deemed as a fanboy or crazy, as opposed to someone just calling out basic wrongs. No fair minded, objective person outside of the Seahawks fan base, will turn their nose at Russ’ production year after year. He’s proven he only needs a moderate running game and decent receivers to be a top 5 scorer, and is accurate at almost every level of the field. Another fan base will love him. The one who gets the last laugh controls the narrative.

Wow you guys are really something...

Here is whats going on...

Yes, Keasley45 is right in his assessment of what WAS going on with Russ up until the part where he makes the assumption that it's not correctible...It is correctible, and it looks like they have corrected it. we will see against the Rams.

It's my assertion that even though Wilson did have the read problems last year and even before last year they got Waldron to fix that. What has happened is that Russ got hurt, he probably came back a little early and had some accuracy issues and needed to get back into rhythm of the game... but there was another issue and that is that Waldron's O is asking Wilson to change his game to releasing the ball quicker and stepping into the pocket Keasley45 explained this many times. Wilson's game has always been to hold onto the ball and create a big play on the run. This is what he has been doing for 9 years. Wilson needed to make the adjustment to Waldron's O, and it was a big adjustment for him.

The last game against the the Texans is how Carrolls O is supposed to look like. So th people that are arguing against Keasly45 you are wrong that Carrolls O is outdated because Carrolls O, which is combined with Waldron's O is working just fine... Carroll wants balance and Sunday that's exactly what we saw. 27 passes for 260 yards and 2 TD's and a run game 28 attempts for like 197 yards. If you look around the league the best teams are running the ball look at GB. they just needed some time to get good at it because it is new. and No the O line is not crap...you will see this o line improve once they get some continuity and it will improve as Wilson gets rid of the ball faster.

So, this whole argument is based off of extremes rather than what it is. Yes, Wilson and Carroll can co-exist, and no Carrolls Offense is NOT outdated...

This is my take


LTH

I agree with most. I would say Carrol's desire to have balance is not outdated. The way he wanted to do it was though. Carrol wanted to just line up and out execute the other team. He says it in his book. What Wilson and Now Waldron have wanted to do is make it harder for the defense to know what's coming and stop it. That is the difference


It is not about the offense as a whole it is about how it is done

PC wanted like I said line up out-execute and if they know what coming so what. The problem is superior talent trumps execution, Especially when they know what's coming.

Waldron and Wilson want more tempo, more options so the defense does not know what's coming.

So the end result is the same balance. The way they get there is different. One way, Carrols was outdated the way we are starting to do it is newer, more updated. harder to stop and to anticipate what's coming.

 

[LTH]

Carroll doesn't have an issue with going up tempo...he just wants balance

LTH

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You would know, Pete. Couldn't resist :irishdrinkers:

 

[John63]

Carroll doesn't have an issue with going up tempo...he just wants balance

LTH

Actually, he has said he does not really like it that much due to TOP and again it is not just uptempo it is about not just lining up stagnant and letting the defense know what's coming. It's about movement, motion, and not letting the defense know what is coming.

Again as you may have accidentally overlooked it I also said

He likes to just line up and out-execute, even if they know what's coming which has been an issue identified by players and experts that our offense is predictable. The idea behind what Waldron and Wilson want to do is to be less predictable by using tempo, motion, misdirection etc.

So again the premise of balance that PC wants is not outdated his manner of getting it is.

Also, we don't want to be balanced for the sake of being balanced if w are killing them with the pass you go with it, if we are killing them with the run we go with it.


In this game we were pretty balanced last game we were not 37 passes 27 runs. The next game who knows. We want to be able to be balanced but not so tied to it we force thins.

As I said PCs want to try to be balanced is not outdated

His method of doing it is.

Thankfully the method Waldron and Wilson are using is not outdated lot of motion, tempo, misdirection

 

[LTH]

Yeah, if you're talking g going up tempo all the time... But up tempo has its place in the O. We have seen this many times when the O has been bogged down by a good D or they are in a 2-minute situation. Going up tempo is a good change of pace O scheme and I'm sure they still want to use that but not all the time.

That makes since, right?


LTH

 

[olyfan63]

So, now Russ is Mcnabb 2.0? And it's unfortunate he wants to stay? And Russ was carried by the defense? Gotta' love the classics..........
What an absolute crap show this place can be. They don't get to EITHER Super Bowl without Russ. Or w/out the Defense or Lynch. Period. But the fact that people actually think they would be just fine w/out Russ?
Thanks for the Monday laugh. It's idiotic comments like this that make me want him to stay even longer? Why? Because I know how much it would bother some people.

You recall the Ravens actually won a Super Bowl with Trent freakin' Dilfer as their starting QB, right? And then they cut Dilfer the next year in training camp.

I don't think anybody is actually saying the extreme things you're suggesting. I'm reading it as more like the universe will not come to an end if Wilson is gone. If Pete lets Russell walk, we all agree he better have a damn good succession plan. Everyone understands we're not going 13-3 with Geno. With Russell, we have and we could again if the cards fall right. Especially if the Cards fall twice.

Yes, Russ was carried by the D in the NFCCG vs Green Bay. And in the NFCCG vs SF. Defense wins championships and it was sure on display in those two instances. And in SB48. And in SB49, just not for us.

I don't really know much about the McNabb story, so maybe I'll keep an eye out for a 30 for 30 or something on him.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm gonna' just retire from Russ talk. It goes no place. People have made their minds up about the guy, whatever gets you thru the day.

Go Hawks

 

[Keyhawk]

Today on Movin' the Chains on NFL Radio, Pat Kirwan indicated that Russell is going nowhere. I have a lot of respect for what Pat has to say. Not to mention he is pretty close with Pete.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Today on Movin' the Chains on NFL Radio, Pat Kirwan indicated that Russell is going nowhere. I have a lot of respect for what Pat has to say. Not to mention he is pretty close with Pete.

Russ has two years left on his current contract.

This means if he leaves in the off season, it's because the organization in whatever the organization looks like after the dust settles on Pete, John, etc being here or not decides to trade him.

It's possible Russell decides he wants to leave, and we get another off season of agent whores like Schefter tweeting out another list of teams, Russell's unhappy, blah blah blah.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Hawks hold all the cards with how this goes.

 

[chris98251]

Today on Movin' the Chains on NFL Radio, Pat Kirwan indicated that Russell is going nowhere. I have a lot of respect for what Pat has to say. Not to mention he is pretty close with Pete.

Russ has two years left on his current contract.

This means if he leaves in the off season, it's because the organization in whatever the organization looks like after the dust settles on Pete, John, etc being here or not decides to trade him.

It's possible Russell decides he wants to leave, and we get another off season of agent whores like Schefter tweeting out another list of teams, Russell's unhappy, blah blah blah.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Hawks hold all the cards with how this goes.

Yes but as the Seahawks you want something if he is going to leave and they know whether he is or not after his contract. Whether he pushes for it or you go full rebuild and someone else is coming in and you need a fresh face and the capital. He plays it out you get a comp pick, 3rd round was his draft not sure how all that would play out. But you know you get a lot more in value with picks and players if you move him.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Today on Movin' the Chains on NFL Radio, Pat Kirwan indicated that Russell is going nowhere. I have a lot of respect for what Pat has to say. Not to mention he is pretty close with Pete.

Russ has two years left on his current contract.

This means if he leaves in the off season, it's because the organization in whatever the organization looks like after the dust settles on Pete, John, etc being here or not decides to trade him.

It's possible Russell decides he wants to leave, and we get another off season of agent who** like Schefter tweeting out another list of teams, Russell's unhappy, blah blah blah.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Hawks hold all the cards with how this goes.

Yes but as the Seahawks you want something if he is going to leave and they know whether he is or not after his contract. Whether he pushes for it or you go full rebuild and someone else is coming in and you need a fresh face and the capital. He plays it out you get a comp pick, 3rd round was his draft not sure how all that would play out. But you know you get a lot more in value with picks and players if you move him.

Do you really think Russ has the stomach for what it takes for a QB of his caliber to force his way out with two years left on his deal, AND two more years of possibly being franchised?

I don't see it, but I guess it's possible.

Holding out, refusing to take part in camps, possibly missing regular season games. That's what it would take for Wilson to force his way out.

All he cares about is his stats, winning and legacy. Even he's smart enough to know spending the next 2-4 years missing precious chances to accumulate stats, wins and helping his team win? Just doesn't seem like something he'd do.

But I could be wrong.

 

[chris98251]

Today on Movin' the Chains on NFL Radio, Pat Kirwan indicated that Russell is going nowhere. I have a lot of respect for what Pat has to say. Not to mention he is pretty close with Pete.

Russ has two years left on his current contract.

This means if he leaves in the off season, it's because the organization in whatever the organization looks like after the dust settles on Pete, John, etc being here or not decides to trade him.

It's possible Russell decides he wants to leave, and we get another off season of agent who** like Schefter tweeting out another list of teams, Russell's unhappy, blah blah blah.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Hawks hold all the cards with how this goes.

Yes but as the Seahawks you want something if he is going to leave and they know whether he is or not after his contract. Whether he pushes for it or you go full rebuild and someone else is coming in and you need a fresh face and the capital. He plays it out you get a comp pick, 3rd round was his draft not sure how all that would play out. But you know you get a lot more in value with picks and players if you move him.

Do you really think Russ has the stomach for what it takes for a QB of his caliber to force his way out with two years left on his deal, AND two more years of possibly being franchised?

I don't see it, but I guess it's possible.

Holding out, refusing to take part in camps, possibly missing regular season games. That's what it would take for Wilson to force his way out.

All he cares about is his stats, winning and legacy. Even he's smart enough to know spending the next 2-4 years missing precious chances to accumulate stats, wins and helping his team win? Just doesn't seem like something he'd do.

But I could be wrong.

If Pete stays, have you ever seen him force a player that isn't bought in to be here?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Russ has two years left on his current contract.

This means if he leaves in the off season, it's because the organization in whatever the organization looks like after the dust settles on Pete, John, etc being here or not decides to trade him.

It's possible Russell decides he wants to leave, and we get another off season of agent who** like Schefter tweeting out another list of teams, Russell's unhappy, blah blah blah.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Hawks hold all the cards with how this goes.

Yes but as the Seahawks you want something if he is going to leave and they know whether he is or not after his contract. Whether he pushes for it or you go full rebuild and someone else is coming in and you need a fresh face and the capital. He plays it out you get a comp pick, 3rd round was his draft not sure how all that would play out. But you know you get a lot more in value with picks and players if you move him.

Do you really think Russ has the stomach for what it takes for a QB of his caliber to force his way out with two years left on his deal, AND two more years of possibly being franchised?

I don't see it, but I guess it's possible.

Holding out, refusing to take part in camps, possibly missing regular season games. That's what it would take for Wilson to force his way out.

All he cares about is his stats, winning and legacy. Even he's smart enough to know spending the next 2-4 years missing precious chances to accumulate stats, wins and helping his team win? Just doesn't seem like something he'd do.

But I could be wrong.

If Pete stays, have you ever seen him force a player that isn't bought in to be here?

True, but none of those players were a franchise QB of Russell's caliber.

My point is Russell doesn't have enough leverage to force his way out next year. In 2023? Yes, that's when this might get real.

But this next off season? He'll be in the same boat as Rodgers was last off season........pissed off, but not enough leverage to force his way out. Unless again, he's willing to miss games, and paychecks.