Pete would still be coaching if he traded up for ....

[Titus Pullo]

Ah, yes. Time of possession, a statistic that famously is not affected by having a bottom-3 defense and bottom-5 rushing frequency.

I watched the games and saw what most people saw.

Geno holds on to the ball too long trying to find an open receiver and then gets sacked or throws an interception.
Three quarters of crappy football and then some Tebow crap at the end to save his job.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I watched the games and saw what most people saw.

Geno holds on to the ball too long trying to find an open receiver and then gets sacked or throws an interception.
Three quarters of crappy football and then some Tebo crap at the end to save his job.

Geno was 12th lowest in interception %, threw the T16th most picks, and was sacked 16th most in the league behind an objectively poor offensive line.

None of your statement reflects reality, it reflects the conclusion you were determined to make.

 

[Titus Pullo]

Geno was 12th lowest in interception %, threw the T16th most picks, and was sacked 16th most in the league behind an objectively poor offensive line.

None of your statement reflects reality, it reflects the conclusion you were determined to make.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention the incompletes.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention the incompletes.

At least this one was objectively below 16th, but it's more than a bit of a stretch to put time of possession at the feet of a 64.7% completion percentage instead of horrific defense and a largely-forgotten rushing attack.

 

[nwHawk]

I can understand thinking it was time for a change and that Pete wasn't the right coach for the team anymore. What I don't understand is your utter loathing of a guy who led the team to the most wins in franchise history.

It dawned on me that in Pete is always competing and wanting the best, why shouldn’t the organization have the same right? When you fail to field teams capable of playoffs or championships, isn’t that on you! How many playoff wins does Seattle have in the past 5 years?

 

[SonicHawk]

Never trust someone with a drew lock avatar.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Never trust someone with a drew lock avatar.

He wears his bias like a giant lit billboard in time square. You can’t miss it

 

[Titus Pullo]

Never trust someone with a drew lock avatar.

Says one of the homers who have or had a Geno avatar.

 

[SonicHawk]

Crazy that a Seahawks fan would have the starting QB for the past 2 1/2 seasons as an avatar.

 

[knownone]

Geno and Stroud are virtually identical if you look at per/game-adjusted stats and advanced stats. Geno has a higher explosive play rate, fewer sacks, a significantly higher success rate, and slightly more turnover-worthy plays. The only significant difference is Stroud creates more with his legs.

 

[hoxrox]

Beat me to it.

'Gosh, what is wrong with Pete? Why didn't he just draft the one QB out of the first round who turned out to be good who he also had no chance to draft? Is he stupid?'

IIRC, John's comments after the draft indicated that a QB, Anderson and Spoon were on the Seahawks big board.

So it's not that they didn't want to draft a QB. They just weren't willing to give up more than what Carolina gave up for the #1. Or even if they did, it was too late - Carolina had already secured the deal.

The "I'm sticking with Geno" no matter what narrative has no basis, especially given the "easy out" contract he got. The "I'm sticking with Hurtt" has more validity, and likely the real straw that broke the camel's back.

 

[Boycie]

And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

I'm stealing this one!

 

[WarHawks]

I'm stealing this one!

 

[DarkVictory23]

I watched the games and saw what most people saw.

Geno holds on to the ball too long trying to find an open receiver and then gets sacked or throws an interception.
Three quarters of crappy football and then some Tebow crap at the end to save his job.

Ah, yes. Source: "Trust me, bro."

Of course, in real life, Geno's avg. time to throw was basically dead in the middle of average time to throw for QBs across the league and he was top 10 in sack rate.

Meanwhile, Stroud, the guy we're talking about here, has the 5th longest time to throw in the entire league and was 23rd out of 33 rated QBs in sack rate despite his offensive line being rated top 10 in pass block win rate.

So, instead of drafting Stroud saving his job, we spend an ungodly amount of capital to draft him, he spends his entire season getting sacked to death behind our porous offensive line, Stroud gets declared a bust, our defense is even worse because we have no Witherspoon, we end with a losing record, and now Pete AND John get fired for giving up everything for a QB who doesn't look like he's going to pan out.

 

[toffee]

Pete Carroll had the final say in all football matters, but some speculated that authority might have been removed from him to John Schneider in the last 2-3 years. If Pete still had that power, and he really really wanted Stroud, he could make it happen, afterall how many first round picks did he use for Jamal Adams? A franchise QB is more valuable than a strong safety, isn't it?

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Probably should have waited at least one more week before making this assertion.

 

[getnasty]

We are we acting like we had the ability to draft Stoud?

 

[Ozzy]

Geno and Stroud are virtually identical if you look at per/game-adjusted stats and advanced stats. Geno has a higher explosive play rate, fewer sacks, a significantly higher success rate, and slightly more turnover-worthy plays. The only significant difference is Stroud creates more with his legs.

He’s also a rookie and his two best receivers are lower round drafted receivers. The fact it’s even close(and I’d still argue overall Strpud has been much better) the fact Geno has over a decade of coaching and experience and a much better/experienced receiver room slants it too.

Regardless Seattle wasn’t getting Stroud anyway

 

[knownone]

He’s also a rookie and his two best receivers are lower round drafted receivers. The fact it’s even close(and I’d still argue overall Strpud has been much better) the fact Geno has over a decade of coaching and experience and a much better/experienced receiver room slants it too.

Regardless Seattle wasn’t getting Stroud anyway

You can make whatever arguments you want; statistically, they are virtually identical. So, in the context of the OP, it's unlikely that not trading up for Stroud impacted Pete's tenure.

 

[Spin Doctor]

You can make whatever arguments you want; statistically, they are virtually identical. So, in the context of the OP, it's unlikely that not trading up for Stroud impacted Pete's tenure.

It does affect Pete’s tenure, in that he has a QB locked up for 4 years for pennies on the dollar. That gives the team a lot of flexibility.

Stroud’s ceiling is also much higher than Geno’s. Stroud got better as the season went on and I’d argue that midway through the season he started playing better than Geno.

A Stroud character might’ve given Pete at least another year with the same showing he had on the Texans.

I think an issue that Pete had here is Jody no longer bought into his vision for the future. The teams defense has been a hot mess for awhile now and honestly, our QB solution under Pete wasn’t a tenable long term solution. Geno isn’t bad, but he’s very streaky and has limited upside. He is also on the older side of things.

I think having a talented young signal caller would’ve bought Carroll at least another year. Stroud had one of the best rookie seasons ever at QB. This means they’d shore up the position for 10+ years along with 4-5 years of salary cap flexibility.

Having that as something to lay back on would’ve been a much easier sale than what we got going on here in Seattle right now.