Nunya":2nisaf47 said:TwistedHusky":2nisaf47 said:A lot of these same arguments could have been made by Green Bay fans to keep MM. He got them to the playoffs. But they knew that a better coach would get better results with a QB that should have been driving better results.
I see a lot of #s being thrown about.
Pete is a #3 coach in the league. Russ is a top 5 QB. (Some player votes had him top 2 last year). Our roster is ranked in the top 5 regularly.
Have we been getting top 5 results in the playoffs? Or just been glorified wildcards?
The reason for the focus on the value of Pete building a roster is imperative. That is a Pete thing. Yes, 'all coaches develop lower drafted players' etc. But it is comically rare for a team to go into a season with a weakness (pass rush) and have it be top 5 by end of year. Same thing with losing starters to injury and actually improving (CB). All coaches develop talent etc. Pete does it better than almost anyone.
And he does it regularly.
He just does less with the better roster once he has it. Under another coach your roster quality is going to dip. Your holes are going to be magnified. And you will have less guys like Reed suddenly turning into top quality players seemingly out of nowhere.
Most elite QBs (and no Stafford, Ryan, Rivers, etc are NOT elite. Which is funny), are expensive. Ours is no exception. So you get thin rosters or giant weaknesses. Typically, non-Bradyish elite QBs in the new era regularly miss the playoffs 1-2 years out of 5. But they also tend to win a division playoff game 1-2 years out of 5. Sample size is small though. Mahomes, like Brady, seems to be bucking this trend.
Under Pete, with an elite QB, we are typically making the playoffs. Because Pete keeps our roster competitive. Which is incredibly difficult to consistently do with the QB taking such a % of cap. Because of this we usually make the playoffs.
We are usually outclassed in divisional playoff games, however.
The defining line of success/failure is subjective here.
If you feel making the playoffs consistently but also consistently being bounced, if not embarrassed, after the wildcard is success? Then Pete is the coach for you. If you feel that Wilson should occasionally be at least making a conference game in 5 years given the roster and his being an elite QB? Then Pete is underperforming.
Since the SB loss, Pete has coached with a high floor, low ceiling approach that works. But since the SB loss, he has not put together the playoff success you would expect from a top 3 or even top 5 coach with this kind of QB and this kind of roster.
Your whole argument is based around some roster rating and that PC is doing less with more. Please provide those roster ratings.
What Pete Carroll is doing in the NFL is ground breaking... The major reason for his success is because of the mentality that he creates on his team... of course nobody understands that but How many coaches can have the worst defense in the NFL and turn that around into one of the best defenses in the NFL? it's because this team has key leadership Bobby and KJ and KNJ to push Carrolls message... this team worked through MAJOR mountains of adversity they know who they are and what they are capable of and they never stopped believing in themselves even though the media and there own fan base trashed them to the point of calling them garbage...Most teams would have given up...
But this is not new it's happen's every year some years to a lesser degree... this is the process that Carroll goes through integrating new players into the system and working his units to have the mentality and belief to play championship ball... It takes some time but in the end Carroll has his team ready for the playoffs... But nobody EVER listens to what I say... people just have to go through there own process and in the end, although totally misunderstanding what's happening, we will enjoy a great season...
Next year it will be the same thing fans moaning and groaning because they don't understand he process and the media feeding the legion of gloom because they need ratings...
LTH