QB Controversy

[WarHawks]

This is fair (even though I'm still trying to figure out what in the way these games have gone can allow someone to agree with these assertions. Lock is literally getting sacked more often than Geno on less pressure! Why do we keep acting like it's the other way around?! Gah!!), but to some degree I go... well, then why do we even care if we sign Lock?

If Lock already were signed, this is a completely different argument. But he's a FA and if he doesn't take another snap for us this year, his agent is going to try and spin this game winning drive into a payday somewhere. If we are talking about cutting Geno to draft a QBOTF, we can sign literally any vet we want for a similar deal. Lock isn't an experienced starter. For people who think Geno is mid, Lock is worse than Geno, so it's not like he's got that going for him.

Why not sign a more veteran dude to a similar contract to what we hope Lock will sign for and have HIM mentor our rookie? Lock is a dude who still needs to grow himself. He's not in a spot to groom his own replacement.

If we are good with a wholesale change at QB, there is no real reason to go with Lock other than he's here.

The only reason to keep Lock is if we think he IS the QBOTF or if we really value continuity.

This is a well reasoned argument. No one is pretending either qb is our qbotf, and since since Lock is a fa, which I had forgotten about, then it makes sense to let them both walk and get another veteran to mentor a rookie. It certainly makes zero sense to bring back Geno next year cap-wise and performance-wise, so why bother putting him out there again and risk injury, especially since Lock is equally capable of winning these remaining three [supposedly easier] games?

Imo, it makes strategic sense to let Lock finish this season out. Although his stats are paltry, they will likely improve with more playing time, and he is the only qb with a 2 minute 92 yd game winning drive this year. Probably irrelevant in the grand scheme, but recency bias has its virtues, and it does seem like he should be rewarded for his clutch performance...

 

[OrangeGravy]

If Lock doesn't play the rest of the season and Geno lays an egg in any of the remaining games...

Geno will be hated for removing us from playoff contention and Drew will be loved for this one game.

Everyone will be saying: If Lock played ......

So what? Why would you pay any attention to stupid people?

 

[OrangeGravy]

The chemistry was on display on offense in Dallas.

I think we're drumming up a lot of invented chemistry and synergy because we're happy to have won. I could be wrong, but you certainly could be too.

If the dynamics locker room wise are that Geno has totally lost his support and that team wants Lock, then yeah, you roll with Lock. But on field, I think Geno as-is going to end up better than Lock 9 times out of 10 if you give them each more than a couple of games. Comes down to fundamental play.

This is not taking anything away from a big dick winning drive from Lock. I just don't think its a job-seizing moment *yet*.

The shift in momentum and chemistry was on defense. Sitting some guys who weren't pulling their weight on defense is what "felt" different. The offense was markedly worse, but came through at tge the end.

Threads like this are good though. They show you who uses emotion to replace any missing football IQ or sports in general. Anyone calling for Lock to start has never been a part of a locker room in any meaningful way

 

[OrangeGravy]

Gah. I'm trying to be happy for Drew, but I look at stuff like this and it goes right back to trying to figure out why people's perceptions of Geno are so skewed.

That final drive was amazing, but Drew basically underperformed every single passing metric of what this Philly defense gives up. Total yards, yards per attempt, TDs, etc. He performed BELOW what the average QB performance is against Philly but because of one great drive, we think he overperformed.

Meanwhile, we think Geno is going to get sacked more and have a 'couple' more turnovers when Geno is only averaging 1 turnover per game and getting sacked at a lesser rate than Drew is.


I have no way of predicting how that game goes with Geno because I know our gameplan changes and who knows if we get KWIII to pop off like he did, but I wouldn't have been shocked if we won by multiple scores.

You know the answer to that question

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Well... whats that? the Train wreck that IS denver? or all the coaching changes and everything else that DID NOT help lock at all there? Here, he's has the most stability he's ever had in his whole career.

Been Liking what I see -

I gotta re-watch the highlights - but my general take through the goddamn night-game beer goggles is that:

Lock is pretty damned good. Better on his feet and doesn't panic as much as Mr. Smith.

But again, I gotta re-watch. I had an epic workday and started watching late.....

I got NO PROBLEM starting Lock.

 

[Jegpeg]

Although his stats are paltry, he is the only qb with a 2 minute 92 yd game winning drive this year. Probably irrelevant in the grand scheme, but recency bias has its virtues, and it does seem like he should be rewarded for his clutch performance...

How many QBs have had a chance at a 2 minute 92 yd game winning drive. Geno only took 1:19 on a 52 yd game winning drive (against Browns) so who is to say if that drive had started at the 8 he wouldn't have done it.

 

[WarHawks]

How many QBs have had a chance at a 2 minute 92 yd game winning drive. Geno only took 1:19 on a 52 yd game winning drive (against Browns) so who is to say if that drive had started at the 8 he wouldn't have done it.

Who is to say if my sister was my uncle she would be my aunt? Irrelevant anyway, given strategic considerations as noted.

 

[Dallashawksfan]

I would play Geno against the weaker teams. He performed better and more consistent.

He plays scared against stronger defense. Lock doesn’t panic as easily.

That means Geno for the last 3 games. And Lock for the playoffs LMFAO

 

[WarHawks]

And if Geno gets hurt, costing us a big cap hit when he's released, what then? Unless I'm missing something, and Im certainly no expert, just an average fan, I'm just not seeing any upside to playing Geno.

 

[Boycie]

Like hockey, got to ride the hot tendy!

 

[RiverDog]

Prior to last night, I would have said Geno. But I've since changed my mind.

As much as last night's win changed the paradigm and lifted us into the contender ranks, we still have an uphill battle. Even if we do make the playoffs, our talent level is such that we're likely one and done. I would rather use these last 3 regular season games to see just what we have in Drew Lock.

Lock's performance last night was good, but not outstanding. I didn't see anything from him that we haven't seen before. The difference last night was the lack of turnovers. Lock has always had the ability to hit on passes like that last gem he threw to JSN to win the game for us. His problem has been brain farts, of which he is usually good for 2 or 3 per game. He had none last night.

As a rule, they say that you don't lose your job due to injury, but there has been exceptions. I recall when the Niners lost Alex Smith, gave Kaepernick a chance, then rode him to the Super Bowl and within a hair's breadth of a Lombardi.

 

[strohmin]

The shift in momentum and chemistry was on defense. Sitting some guys who weren't pulling their weight on defense is what "felt" different. The offense was markedly worse, but came through at tge the end.

Threads like this are good though. They show you who uses emotion to replace any missing football IQ or sports in general. Anyone calling for Lock to start has never been a part of a locker room in any meaningful way

Are you saying Kj wright lacks football iq and has never been part of a locker room in a meaningful way? He said it himself on his podcast that Drew Lock should start around the 18 min mark.

https://www.youtube.com/live/yRp9L8I3nt8?si=jPCPAa3IitrFdSNM

✂️ Drew lock starting

59 seconds · Clipped by Joey Schwartz · Original video "Seahawks BEAT Eagles 20-17 | Drew Lock to JSN In The Final Minute | Week 15 Reactions" by KJ ALL DAY ...

youtube.com

 

[BirdsCommaAngry]

Who's our 3rd stringer? We could skip a few steps in this whole process of "LeTs jUsT sEe wHaT wE hAvE!!!!11" and start clamoring for him right now lol.

 

[morgulon1]

I honestly like both, but I agree with PNW, and I also think Lock is quicker on his feet when run and has better chemistry with DK. (I don't hate lockett.. but i feel he's almost looking for a PI every play now a days. Some valid some not so much.)

Lock throws to JSN

 

[Ozzy]

After processing the excitement of beating the Eagles, I would still lean slightly Locks way but it’s mostly because hes much cheaper and I don’t think the gap is big and both are very similar.!so with good coaching and some reps it’s possible you can use those resources to help out elsewhere. It’s a gamble tho because I think Geno’s floor is known and with Lock it could fall out. Basically I don’t fault anyone for being with Geno or Lock.

 

[morgulon1]

I think most people realize that.

I mean, PC is the guy who's still using Dallas for KR/PR over Eskridge or KMac.. . and yeahhh lol "best man for the position"

Exactly. Grandpa gettin jiggy with it. Maybe he'll have a street magician come to the vmac this week in their preparation to drop a low scoring game to the titties

 

[Maelstrom787]

I think most people realize that.

I mean, PC is the guy who's still using Dallas for KR/PR over Eskridge or KMac.. . and yeahhh lol "best man for the position"

Maaaan, I dunno. Eskridge is a bonehead who is constantly injured and hasn't been able to string together reps at any position, and KMac is a late rookie who is even slower than Dallas and he hasn't been a prolific returner in the past either.

I think you just rock with continuity at this point. Dallas is doing fine and took the job over when neither of these dudes could even practice.

 

[seahawks08]

Lock threw a few near picks last night that would have ended the game. Geno is not playing great but coaches prefer safe QBs even if they are not flashy. The team game planned for more runs which actually worked in our favor. Geno under 2 minutes takes less risks than Drew which would probably mean we don’t win. However Pete will stick with Geno given the presser from Pete last night.

 

[DarkVictory23]

This is a well reasoned argument. No one is pretending either qb is our qbotf, and since since Lock is a fa, which I had forgotten about, then it makes sense to let them both walk and get another veteran to mentor a rookie. It certainly makes zero sense to bring back Geno next year cap-wise and performance-wise, so why bother putting him out there again and risk injury, especially since Lock is equally capable of winning these remaining three [supposedly easier] games?

Imo, it makes strategic sense to let Lock finish this season out. Although his stats are paltry, they will likely improve with more playing time, and he is the only qb with a 2 minute 92 yd game winning drive this year. Probably irrelevant in the grand scheme, but recency bias has its virtues, and it does seem like he should be rewarded for his clutch performance...

The problem here is the bold. Nothing Drew has done should lead anyone to reasonably think he is equally capable of winning these remaining games.

The upside to playing Geno is Geno is better. If we want to go to the playoffs, you play him. We signed Leonard Williams at 5-2 because we were trying to make noise this season. I know a lot of our fanbase has already gone into being mad if we make the playoffs because our future is going to be determined by our draft pick, but I'm not one of those fans. I don't watch the Seahawks hoping for losses for an imagined better season next year.

I don't think the locker room, and certainly not Pete, is thinking like that, either.

And right now, we are favored to make the playoffs. And as bad as our games against the Niners and Ravens have looked, we have beat the Lions, should have won against Dallas if we didn't have the most flag happy officiating crew in the league, and just beat Philly with our backup.

That's almost half of the NFC playoff field that we either beat or almost beat. If CMC or Williams go down on the Niners roster, we are talking about a wide-open playoff field in the NFC.

 

[WarHawks]

"The upside to playing Geno is Geno is better." Ugh. Geno gives me zero confidence or hope. Lock at least has a possible upside. Sad.