Any difference in Wilson's pocket stance?

[Spin Doctor]

I read that Duane Brown was shouting at Russ after one play a few days ago. Between Duane and Doug, one can assume that Russ had some issues, hoping with help from teammates and new OC, Russ can improve.


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Duane got in Russ's face on several occasions last season. As I keep saying, Russ makes Duane's job really hard to do. He really needs to work on his pocket movement to bring his game up to the next level.

 

[mrt144]

I read that Duane Brown was shouting at Russ after one play a few days ago. Between Duane and Doug, one can assume that Russ had some issues, hoping with help from teammates and new OC, Russ can improve.


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LOL. Duane Brown being mad and yelling after getting a false start penalty is not Russ' fault and Doug throwing shade as he has for forever is not Russ' fault. Yeah it will be nice for Russ to improve maybe he'll get 99% of our TD's this year and not miss his FG's as well. I sometimes don't understand the fanbase. The guy who actually has QB'd us to a Super Bowl and is clearly the best QB in franchise history needs to be helped along by Brian Schottenheimer? Brian Schottenheimer? Like if it works well fine, great change of voice can help for sure, but the tone of that is so weird to me. 'I sure hope this proven nothing OC can help along out franchise QB who "had some issues" on his way to leading the league in TD's with minimal O help'. It just feels like people want a reason to think negatively about him or that it's his fault but the opposite with the other people involved. Like maybe just maybe the thing that needs improvement isn't really Russ at least not more than a ton of other pieces.

It's focusing on the one good thing that isn't a silver bullet to avoid admitting there are a lot of bad things. The Colts probably thought Drew Luck was so imbued with talent they could get away with all manner of tripe and well...

I'm not saying RW has peaked but if someone is hoping for someone at the 90th percentile to rescue the team by getting to the 99th percentile take a spell to consider how and why RW's current talent isn't enough. If you can't win with RW what are you doing wrong in every other aspect of the team?

Maybe RW isn't as good as some of us imagine. I would hope and pray that the Hawks have some sort of contingency for that possibility but 2017 didn't show it.

 

[toffee]

I read that Duane Brown was shouting at Russ after one play a few days ago. Between Duane and Doug, one can assume that Russ had some issues, hoping with help from teammates and new OC, Russ can improve.


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LOL. Duane Brown being mad and yelling after getting a false start penalty is not Russ' fault and Doug throwing shade as he has for forever is not Russ' fault. Yeah it will be nice for Russ to improve maybe he'll get 99% of our TD's this year and not miss his FG's as well. I sometimes don't understand the fanbase. The guy who actually has QB'd us to a Super Bowl and is clearly the best QB in franchise history needs to be helped along by Brian Schottenheimer? Brian Schottenheimer? Like if it works well fine, great change of voice can help for sure, but the tone of that is so weird to me. 'I sure hope this proven nothing OC can help along out franchise QB who "had some issues" on his way to leading the league in TD's with minimal O help'. It just feels like people want a reason to think negatively about him or that it's his fault but the opposite with the other people involved. Like maybe just maybe the thing that needs improvement isn't really Russ at least not more than a ton of other pieces.

It's focusing on the one good thing that isn't a silver bullet to avoid admitting there are a lot of bad things. The Colts probably thought Drew Luck was so imbued with talent they could get away with all manner of tripe and well...

I'm not saying RW has peaked but if someone is hoping for someone at the 90th percentile to rescue the team by getting to the 99th percentile take a spell to consider how and why RW's current talent isn't enough. If you can't win with RW what are you doing wrong in every other aspect of the team?

Maybe RW isn't as good as some of us imagine. I would hope and pray that the Hawks have some sort of contingency for that possibility but 2017 didn't show it.

Let's just assume for a second that Wilson has indeed peaked, but I can live with that, he is that good. IF Wilson can elevate himself to an even high sphere, ..... why the heck not? That said, if whatever Wilson changes will take away part of his current games. One have to weight to gain vs lost.

 

[mrt144]

I read that Duane Brown was shouting at Russ after one play a few days ago. Between Duane and Doug, one can assume that Russ had some issues, hoping with help from teammates and new OC, Russ can improve.


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Duane got in Russ's face on several occasions last season. As I keep saying, Russ makes Duane's job really hard to do. He really needs to work on his pocket movement to bring his game up to the next level.

And what if he doesn't? Better flush RW and keep everyone else and just hope you hit on whatever replacement you cobble together despite the trail of sorrow left by the vast majority of QBs who enter the league? Better hope you didn't whiff on nearly every RB since Marshawn left, been stingy with retaining WRs, been comically inept with OL talent, somehow misuse a player and lose that players head when he was a bonafide stud when playing in an offensive scheme that were suited to their talents...

He's already in the 90th percentile of QBs by almost any metric of your choosing. So you want specific instance betterness in like 5-10% of plays run? We all do but my goodness you're pining for a QB that hits like 80% of their attempts (and no points for throwing screens here)

 

[Russ Willstrong]

I expected the comments from Doug who has always been critical of Russ and sees him as a younger brother. But the shouting from Brown?
Looks like everyone wants Russell to show them a wide base.

 

[Russ Willstrong]

As for Doug's comments.. they are not honest truths but rather opinions. Just as Marshall's praise of Russell are opinions. He's made these rants about Russ before and it only serves to make Doug look that much better. It would seem in Dougs mind Russ is holding him back too. Good thing there's a game against the Colts tomorrow.
I recall on the RealRob show in 2012 how Baldwin kept going off about how much better Luck was. In 2013 playoffs he goes off uneccessarily about Russ after Russ led them to a win. Clearly that Stanfurd cumradory thing.
TBH I'm not looking forward to Doug's glowing comments of Luck today and all the excuses he'll make for his buddy.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I read that Duane Brown was shouting at Russ after one play a few days ago. Between Duane and Doug, one can assume that Russ had some issues, hoping with help from teammates and new OC, Russ can improve.


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Duane got in Russ's face on several occasions last season. As I keep saying, Russ makes Duane's job really hard to do. He really needs to work on his pocket movement to bring his game up to the next level.

And what if he doesn't? Better flush RW and keep everyone else and just hope you hit on whatever replacement you cobble together despite the trail of sorrow left by the vast majority of QBs who enter the league? Better hope you didn't whiff on nearly every RB since Marshawn left, been stingy with retaining WRs, been comically inept with OL talent, somehow misuse a player and lose that players head when he was a bonafide stud when playing in an offensive scheme that were suited to their talents...

He's already in the 90th percentile of QBs by almost any metric of your choosing. So you want specific instance betterness in like 5-10% of plays run? We all do but my goodness you're pining for a QB that hits like 80% of their attempts (and no points for throwing screens here)

I want a QB that is consistent, that is what all of this work that Schottenheimer is doing with him is all about. Consistency. Something that Russ has severely lacked. Last season he was legendary in the fourth quarter, but he was horrid in every other. In his first three quarters last season he threw almost as many picks, as touchdowns, and in 2/4 of the quarters he completed less than 60 percent of his passes. In the first quarter it is particularly bad at 57 percent. Our offenses inability to produce until the last quarter was a huge issue last season. Did the lack of a running game, and line play a part? Absolutely. Did Russ play a part in that as well? You betcha.

Russell Wilson does not know how to manipulate the pocket, and his footwork can get sloppy a times even with no pressure. His default is to back pedal, which makes the job of any lineman significantly harder. The reason why stepping up into the pocket is a thing, is it allows lineman to use the momentum of an edge rusher against them. One of the fundamental techniques is redirection. With Russ at QB that is not an option most of the time. Now --- he is able to get away with this when most QB's wouldn't because he is one of the most elusive QB's to ever put on cleats. He also has the uncanny ability to throw accurately from strange positions. Russ is the only QB that could get away with back peddling.

So why does it matter if its been working for him might you ask? Russ's style is feast or famine. He'll pop off, and get long bomb after long bomb, or he will not be able to get out of his own way, and miss open receivers because his back is to them. Schottenheimer is trying to find a way to intermingle Russ's unique abilities with traditional QB play. This is an evolution he will have to make if he plans on playing in the league for an extended duration. We got a taste of what this looks like in 2015. I have no doubts in my mind that he could look like that every year if he refined his quarterback play.

The scary thing is, Russell Wilson is still very rough around the edges. Imagine what he could be if he is ever able to refine his game? Brady who?

 

[Milehighhawk]

I read that Duane Brown was shouting at Russ after one play a few days ago. Between Duane and Doug, one can assume that Russ had some issues, hoping with help from teammates and new OC, Russ can improve.


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Duane got in Russ's face on several occasions last season. As I keep saying, Russ makes Duane's job really hard to do. He really needs to work on his pocket movement to bring his game up to the next level.

And what if he doesn't? Better flush RW and keep everyone else and just hope you hit on whatever replacement you cobble together despite the trail of sorrow left by the vast majority of QBs who enter the league? Better hope you didn't whiff on nearly every RB since Marshawn left, been stingy with retaining WRs, been comically inept with OL talent, somehow misuse a player and lose that players head when he was a bonafide stud when playing in an offensive scheme that were suited to their talents...

He's already in the 90th percentile of QBs by almost any metric of your choosing. So you want specific instance betterness in like 5-10% of plays run? We all do but my goodness you're pining for a QB that hits like 80% of their attempts (and no points for throwing screens here)

I want a QB that is consistent, that is what all of this work that Schottenheimer is doing with him is all about. Consistency. Something that Russ has severely lacked. Last season he was legendary in the fourth quarter, but he was horrid in every other. In his first three quarters last season he threw almost as many picks, as touchdowns, and in 2/4 of the quarters he completed less than 60 percent of his passes. In the first quarter it is particularly bad at 57 percent. Our offenses inability to produce until the last quarter was a huge issue last season. Did the lack of a running game, and line play a part? Absolutely. Did Russ play a part in that as well? You betcha.

Russell Wilson does not know how to manipulate the pocket, and his footwork can get sloppy a times even with no pressure. His default is to back pedal, which makes the job of any lineman significantly harder. The reason why stepping up into the pocket is a thing, is it allows lineman to use the momentum of an edge rusher against them. One of the fundamental techniques is redirection. With Russ at QB that is not an option most of the time. Now --- he is able to get away with this when most QB's wouldn't because he is one of the most elusive QB's to ever put on cleats. He also has the uncanny ability to throw accurately from strange positions. Russ is the only QB that could get away with back peddling.

So why does it matter if its been working for him might you ask? Russ's style is feast or famine. He'll pop off, and get long bomb after long bomb, or he will not be able to get out of his own way, and miss open receivers because his back is to them. Schottenheimer is trying to find a way to intermingle Russ's unique abilities with traditional QB play. This is an evolution he will have to make if he plans on playing in the league for an extended duration. We got a taste of what this looks like in 2015. I have no doubts in my mind that he could look like that every year if he refined his quarterback play.

The scary thing is, Russell Wilson is still very rough around the edges. Imagine what he could be if he is ever able to refine his game? Brady who?

Wilson is only second highest all time in QB Rating, but is “wildly inconsistent”. Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense.


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[Sox-n-Hawks]

This is a great start. Doug is 100% spot on, it is the leaders responsibility to ensure the three or so direct reports are in alignment. RW was following a plan by the Cabevel, so was the O-line and WRs..... the fault lies at the top and that's why Cable and Bevell were jobless after the last season. Their performance? Arguably PCs failure of leadership.. but when you have an O-Line coach who is stubborn enough to punch another coach... I doubt that person is going to be much of a follower.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Hilarious stuff. Go Hawks

 

[lobohawk]

Without visibility into his thoughts, Baldwin's comments could be read different ways. In my case I view it more of a commentary of missed opportunity, as he's seeing now what could have been done with Wilson's training and the coaching he's getting. It's not like there's criticisms of how he's accepting and working with the new coaches' wishes. In fact, Wilson's history shows that he generally rises to the level of work that's being asked (learning multiple PRO style offenses successfully through his college career).

Doug isn't normally slinging darts at individuals in such a straightforward way. Most of Doug's criticism of Wilson has been around being more assertive in leading the offense vs just running the playbook.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Duane got in Russ's face on several occasions last season. As I keep saying, Russ makes Duane's job really hard to do. He really needs to work on his pocket movement to bring his game up to the next level.

And what if he doesn't? Better flush RW and keep everyone else and just hope you hit on whatever replacement you cobble together despite the trail of sorrow left by the vast majority of QBs who enter the league? Better hope you didn't whiff on nearly every RB since Marshawn left, been stingy with retaining WRs, been comically inept with OL talent, somehow misuse a player and lose that players head when he was a bonafide stud when playing in an offensive scheme that were suited to their talents...

He's already in the 90th percentile of QBs by almost any metric of your choosing. So you want specific instance betterness in like 5-10% of plays run? We all do but my goodness you're pining for a QB that hits like 80% of their attempts (and no points for throwing screens here)

I want a QB that is consistent, that is what all of this work that Schottenheimer is doing with him is all about. Consistency. Something that Russ has severely lacked. Last season he was legendary in the fourth quarter, but he was horrid in every other. In his first three quarters last season he threw almost as many picks, as touchdowns, and in 2/4 of the quarters he completed less than 60 percent of his passes. In the first quarter it is particularly bad at 57 percent. Our offenses inability to produce until the last quarter was a huge issue last season. Did the lack of a running game, and line play a part? Absolutely. Did Russ play a part in that as well? You betcha.

Russell Wilson does not know how to manipulate the pocket, and his footwork can get sloppy a times even with no pressure. His default is to back pedal, which makes the job of any lineman significantly harder. The reason why stepping up into the pocket is a thing, is it allows lineman to use the momentum of an edge rusher against them. One of the fundamental techniques is redirection. With Russ at QB that is not an option most of the time. Now --- he is able to get away with this when most QB's wouldn't because he is one of the most elusive QB's to ever put on cleats. He also has the uncanny ability to throw accurately from strange positions. Russ is the only QB that could get away with back peddling.

So why does it matter if its been working for him might you ask? Russ's style is feast or famine. He'll pop off, and get long bomb after long bomb, or he will not be able to get out of his own way, and miss open receivers because his back is to them. Schottenheimer is trying to find a way to intermingle Russ's unique abilities with traditional QB play. This is an evolution he will have to make if he plans on playing in the league for an extended duration. We got a taste of what this looks like in 2015. I have no doubts in my mind that he could look like that every year if he refined his quarterback play.

The scary thing is, Russell Wilson is still very rough around the edges. Imagine what he could be if he is ever able to refine his game? Brady who?

Wilson is only second highest all time in QB Rating, but is “wildly inconsistent”. Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense.


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You just glossed over everything I said. I said at first glace he looks like the model of consistency, but when you go at look at his game on a quarter by quarter basis things start falling apart. Last season he threw for almost as many INT as TDs, and had two quarters below 60 percent completion in his first three quarters. This has largely been the case throughout his career save for 2015. THAT is inconsistency and this is something that is unique to Russ. The likes of Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc do not have this kind of struggle.

The rope a dope style of play is not ideal. I'm not saying he is a bad QB, I'm saying there is still more room for improvement. I'm also saying implying that he needs to start thinking about evolving his style as he ages.

 

[toffee]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/279 ... -ever-been

Now Doug said Russ the best he has ever been, all thanks to Schotty.


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[erik2690]

but when you go at look at his game on a quarter by quarter basis things start falling apart. Last season he threw for almost as many INT as TDs, and had two quarters below 60 percent completion in his first three quarters. This has largely been the case throughout his career save for 2015.

No. What metric are you using to say his Q's have been inconsistent besides 2015? This was only a large disparity last year. Like how do you say this BS thinking it won't get called out? Here's an example of why this line of reasoning is so silly.

2014 RW passer rating: Q1:82.3
Q2:100.6
Q3:97.4
Q4:96.2

2014 Brees passer rating: Q1:81.6
Q2:103.6
Q3:101.3
Q4:100.3


It's almost as if even great QB's have Q's where stats don't look as great. Maybe when you split season sample sizes into 4 you get some variance that isn't some great mark of terrible inconsistency. You can go check all the Q splits on ESPN the reality is the only year his Q by Q variance has stood out as an oddity from other top QB's is last year. Otherwise most of the really good QB's are not "consistent" Q by Q in stats the way you portray it. For example Brees again in 2013 had a 1st half rating of 118 but dropped to 89 in the 2nd. Does that mean Brees is a wildly inconsistent QB or should you maybe rethink how you talk about stat variance? His career splits on Q by Q show that most of these "inconsistencies" even over larger sample sizes. Again based on stats and comparison to other QB's last year was the only year where quarter variance really stood out. So saying that is fine, but expanding it to a career issue is in fact anti-stat and has no basis.

 

[mrt144]

but when you go at look at his game on a quarter by quarter basis things start falling apart. Last season he threw for almost as many INT as TDs, and had two quarters below 60 percent completion in his first three quarters. This has largely been the case throughout his career save for 2015.

No. What metric are you using to say his Q's have been inconsistent besides 2015? This was only a large disparity last year. Like how do you say this BS thinking it won't get called out? Here's an example of why this line of reasoning is so silly.

2014 RW passer rating: Q1:82.3
Q2:100.6
Q3:97.4
Q4:96.2

2014 Brees passer rating: Q1:81.6
Q2:103.6
Q3:101.3
Q4:100.3


It's almost as if even great QB's have Q's where stats don't look as great. Maybe when you split season sample sizes into 4 you get some variance that isn't some great mark of terrible inconsistency. You can go check all the Q splits on ESPN the reality is the only year his Q by Q variance has stood out as an oddity from other top QB's is last year. Otherwise most of the really good QB's are not "consistent" Q by Q in stats the way you portray it. For example Brees again in 2013 had a 1st half rating of 118 but dropped to 89 in the 2nd. Does that mean Brees is a wildly inconsistent QB or should you maybe rethink how you talk about stat variance? His career splits on Q by Q show that most of these "inconsistencies" even over larger sample sizes. Again based on stats and comparison to other QB's last year was the only year where quarter variance really stood out. So saying that is fine, but expanding it to a career issue is in fact anti-stat and has no basis.

At best, you could say Brees has room to improve but that is such a universal opinion about every single player in the NFL that it is pretty meaningless without a lot of qualification.

 

[erik2690]

but when you go at look at his game on a quarter by quarter basis things start falling apart. Last season he threw for almost as many INT as TDs, and had two quarters below 60 percent completion in his first three quarters. This has largely been the case throughout his career save for 2015.

No. What metric are you using to say his Q's have been inconsistent besides 2015? This was only a large disparity last year. Like how do you say this BS thinking it won't get called out? Here's an example of why this line of reasoning is so silly.

2014 RW passer rating: Q1:82.3
Q2:100.6
Q3:97.4
Q4:96.2

2014 Brees passer rating: Q1:81.6
Q2:103.6
Q3:101.3
Q4:100.3


It's almost as if even great QB's have Q's where stats don't look as great. Maybe when you split season sample sizes into 4 you get some variance that isn't some great mark of terrible inconsistency. You can go check all the Q splits on ESPN the reality is the only year his Q by Q variance has stood out as an oddity from other top QB's is last year. Otherwise most of the really good QB's are not "consistent" Q by Q in stats the way you portray it. For example Brees again in 2013 had a 1st half rating of 118 but dropped to 89 in the 2nd. Does that mean Brees is a wildly inconsistent QB or should you maybe rethink how you talk about stat variance? His career splits on Q by Q show that most of these "inconsistencies" even over larger sample sizes. Again based on stats and comparison to other QB's last year was the only year where quarter variance really stood out. So saying that is fine, but expanding it to a career issue is in fact anti-stat and has no basis.

At best, you could say Brees has room to improve but that is such a universal opinion about every single player in the NFL that it is pretty meaningless without a lot of qualification.

Yes, that would be a reasonable critique. Instead this was said: "THAT is inconsistency and this is something that is unique to Russ. The likes of Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc do not have this kind of struggle." Even comparing him purely to the best 3 QB's I think the rationale falls apart in seconds, but this went farther and claimed it was unique to Wilson which unless someone presents different evidence looks like a crazy claim based on the stats I'm seeing. Again 2017 fair argument, but beyond that it's a very silly tact.

 

[Seymour]

And what if he doesn't? Better flush RW and keep everyone else and just hope you hit on whatever replacement you cobble together despite the trail of sorrow left by the vast majority of QBs who enter the league? Better hope you didn't whiff on nearly every RB since Marshawn left, been stingy with retaining WRs, been comically inept with OL talent, somehow misuse a player and lose that players head when he was a bonafide stud when playing in an offensive scheme that were suited to their talents...

He's already in the 90th percentile of QBs by almost any metric of your choosing. So you want specific instance betterness in like 5-10% of plays run? We all do but my goodness you're pining for a QB that hits like 80% of their attempts (and no points for throwing screens here)

I want a QB that is consistent, that is what all of this work that Schottenheimer is doing with him is all about. Consistency. Something that Russ has severely lacked. Last season he was legendary in the fourth quarter, but he was horrid in every other. In his first three quarters last season he threw almost as many picks, as touchdowns, and in 2/4 of the quarters he completed less than 60 percent of his passes. In the first quarter it is particularly bad at 57 percent. Our offenses inability to produce until the last quarter was a huge issue last season. Did the lack of a running game, and line play a part? Absolutely. Did Russ play a part in that as well? You betcha.

Russell Wilson does not know how to manipulate the pocket, and his footwork can get sloppy a times even with no pressure. His default is to back pedal, which makes the job of any lineman significantly harder. The reason why stepping up into the pocket is a thing, is it allows lineman to use the momentum of an edge rusher against them. One of the fundamental techniques is redirection. With Russ at QB that is not an option most of the time. Now --- he is able to get away with this when most QB's wouldn't because he is one of the most elusive QB's to ever put on cleats. He also has the uncanny ability to throw accurately from strange positions. Russ is the only QB that could get away with back peddling.

So why does it matter if its been working for him might you ask? Russ's style is feast or famine. He'll pop off, and get long bomb after long bomb, or he will not be able to get out of his own way, and miss open receivers because his back is to them. Schottenheimer is trying to find a way to intermingle Russ's unique abilities with traditional QB play. This is an evolution he will have to make if he plans on playing in the league for an extended duration. We got a taste of what this looks like in 2015. I have no doubts in my mind that he could look like that every year if he refined his quarterback play.

The scary thing is, Russell Wilson is still very rough around the edges. Imagine what he could be if he is ever able to refine his game? Brady who?

Wilson is only second highest all time in QB Rating, but is “wildly inconsistent”. Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense.


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You just glossed over everything I said. I said at first glace he looks like the model of consistency, but when you go at look at his game on a quarter by quarter basis things start falling apart. Last season he threw for almost as many INT as TDs, and had two quarters below 60 percent completion in his first three quarters. This has largely been the case throughout his career save for 2015. THAT is inconsistency and this is something that is unique to Russ. The likes of Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc do not have this kind of struggle.

The rope a dope style of play is not ideal. I'm not saying he is a bad QB, I'm saying there is still more room for improvement. I'm also saying implying that he needs to start thinking about evolving his style as he ages.

Dude you need to check your "facts". If you want to be taken serious you should get the facts straight about your teams starting QB. Last season Wilson had 34 TD and 11 ints. Nowhere near "almost as many". :roll:

You wanna throw out stuff like that then we may as well scratch the entire post as far as I'm concerned.

 

[hgwellz12]

Thank you erik.

 

[hgwellz12]

& It truly is super telling.
Some things just seem like they will continue to hold true in this world.

 

[adeltaY]

I want a QB that is consistent, that is what all of this work that Schottenheimer is doing with him is all about. Consistency. Something that Russ has severely lacked. Last season he was legendary in the fourth quarter, but he was horrid in every other. In his first three quarters last season he threw almost as many picks, as touchdowns, and in 2/4 of the quarters he completed less than 60 percent of his passes. In the first quarter it is particularly bad at 57 percent. Our offenses inability to produce until the last quarter was a huge issue last season. Did the lack of a running game, and line play a part? Absolutely. Did Russ play a part in that as well? You betcha.

Russell Wilson does not know how to manipulate the pocket, and his footwork can get sloppy a times even with no pressure. His default is to back pedal, which makes the job of any lineman significantly harder. The reason why stepping up into the pocket is a thing, is it allows lineman to use the momentum of an edge rusher against them. One of the fundamental techniques is redirection. With Russ at QB that is not an option most of the time. Now --- he is able to get away with this when most QB's wouldn't because he is one of the most elusive QB's to ever put on cleats. He also has the uncanny ability to throw accurately from strange positions. Russ is the only QB that could get away with back peddling.

So why does it matter if its been working for him might you ask? Russ's style is feast or famine. He'll pop off, and get long bomb after long bomb, or he will not be able to get out of his own way, and miss open receivers because his back is to them. Schottenheimer is trying to find a way to intermingle Russ's unique abilities with traditional QB play. This is an evolution he will have to make if he plans on playing in the league for an extended duration. We got a taste of what this looks like in 2015. I have no doubts in my mind that he could look like that every year if he refined his quarterback play.

The scary thing is, Russell Wilson is still very rough around the edges. Imagine what he could be if he is ever able to refine his game? Brady who?

Wilson is only second highest all time in QB Rating, but is “wildly inconsistent”. Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense.


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You just glossed over everything I said. I said at first glace he looks like the model of consistency, but when you go at look at his game on a quarter by quarter basis things start falling apart. Last season he threw for almost as many INT as TDs, and had two quarters below 60 percent completion in his first three quarters. This has largely been the case throughout his career save for 2015. THAT is inconsistency and this is something that is unique to Russ. The likes of Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc do not have this kind of struggle.

The rope a dope style of play is not ideal. I'm not saying he is a bad QB, I'm saying there is still more room for improvement. I'm also saying implying that he needs to start thinking about evolving his style as he ages.

Dude you need to check your "facts". If you want to be taken serious you should get the facts straight about your teams starting QB. Last season Wilson had 34 TD and 11 ints. Nowhere near "almost as many". :roll:

You wanna throw out stuff like that then we may as well scratch the entire post as far as I'm concerned.

He's talking about the first three quarters in 2017, Seymour, not Wilson's overall stats for the year.