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[HawkWow]

Although CM has not shown any consistent big runs, the fact that he gets a few is huge. I can't remember the last good Turbin run that wasn't called back due to holding. Not to mention Turbin's ball security is very questionable. I guess it's hard to hold onto a football when you got a bowling ball for a bicep.

I don't think Turbin's ball security is much more concerning than his ability to throw deep.

 

[HawkWow]

Guys, c'mon. It is openly known that Michael's playing time is very much associated with his blocking. When the staff is satisfied with his blocking he will play more.

I heard it was because he was stupid.

I really did LOL.

 

[kearly]

I commented to my brother how amazing it was that Turbin had never fumbled on an NFL carry before despite being reckless with the football. I specifically pointed out how he often has a habit of one handing the ball away from his body at the end of the run to stretch for an extra half yard. Literally 10 seconds later, Turbin fumbles after stretching the ball out one handed for the extra half yard. You can blame me for the Turbin fumble, I deserve it.

I also shouted "just don't fumble the ball!" 1 second before Lynch had his fumble. Again, sorry.

Funny that Wilson, Lynch, and Turbin all had fumbles today, all because of poor ball security. The only one who didn't was C-Mike, which might be bragging rights if he had more than four carries.

Fumbles aside, holy crap have our RBs looked amazing this past month. All of them. Lynch has played on an MVP candidate type level. Turbin is starting to feel out the scheme, and Michael is making plays.

Late last year, when our offense was having big troubles, I commented to my family members watching the Arizona home loss that Seattle had a "championship defense" that was going to drag that team to a SB. And they did exactly that.

Right now, and for most of this season really, Seattle has had a Championship running game. I don't think a running game by itself can carry a team to a title these days, but over the past month it's been a hell of a deodorant.

 

[olyfan63]

Great game for Michael. I'm done with Turbin. I see no upside with him honestly

Really??!! Turbin had another good game today. Sure he's no BeastMode (who is?) But he's been running better this year, not going down on every shoestring tackle like last year. Lately I feel confident and comfortable seeing Turbo in the game; he's been getting the hard yards, making the blocks, making the catches. Lately, Turbin is playing like a legit NFL running back.

 

[olyfan63]

I commented to my brother how amazing it was that Turbin had never fumbled on an NFL carry before despite being reckless with the football. I specifically pointed out how he often has a habit of one handing the ball away from his body at the end of the run to stretch for an extra half yard. Literally 10 seconds later, Turbin fumbles after stretching the ball out one handed for the extra half yard. You can blame me for the Turbin fumble, I deserve it.

I also shouted "just don't fumble the ball!" 1 second before Lynch had his fumble. Again, sorry.

Funny that Wilson, Lynch, and Turbin all had fumbles today, all because of poor ball security. The only one who didn't was C-Mike, which might be bragging rights if he had more than four carries.

I did that on the Lynch fumble and also the Wilson fumble. So it's not just you.

On the Lynch fumble, I was expecting the punch-strip too, and knew it was a risk because Marshawn smelled the goal line and was so focused on scoring he lost focus on ball protection.

On the Wilson fumble, I could see the guy running literally right behind Wilson, as fast as Wilson, and could tell that Wilson didn't see him, and that a ball punch-out attempt was coming. Just lucky we got on it.

It's nice to see the fumble recoveries go our way for a change.

 

[Jerhawk]

Those fumble recoveries on that drive were huge.
Agreed olyfan63, it felt like it was about time the ball bounced our way.

 

[rideaducati]

That was largely on one run with a hole that Bevell himself could have run for 20+ through. Better than him having a lousy outing, but I need to see a lot more from him.

With Turbin getting tackled by defenders barely touching him the way he does, I think you just might get to see a lot more of Michael.

 

[pehawk]

Cmike needs a series when the RO is going. His speed would kill in those lanes only a good RO can create.

 

[Ozzy]

Everyone talks about turbin being so much better at pro protection but he's actually missed on a couple where Wilson gets lit up. I think Aros is probably right that it's taken Michael longer than expected to learn the playbook. I like turbin but see him more as a third down guy. I think after today Michael will be getting the ball more. He adds an explosive element to the offense and might be our most explosive player on offense at the moment.

Edit add: I'm a huge fan of Turbin as well. All 3 like Kearly points out have looked really good lately.

 

[nsport]

A few more rushes by Christine Michael and we might have had 3 100 yard rushers. That would have been historic no doubt!

 

[vin.couve12]

Seems like we have a lot of bi-polar posters here. Guys are either going to be the next great player or they suck. Take some xanax....just don't give it to your pet chimp.

 

[jammerhawk]

I need to see more from Michael before I replace Turbin with Michael. Michael has put the ball on the ground more in fewer touches than is right for a backup RB. He seems to be an uber talent but one with cognitive limits.

 

[byau]

Also want to add that you still can't discount Lynch's influence on Turbin and CMike having big games.

Commitment to run is leveling the opponent's D for an entire game. Lynch does this best. Heck, the 16 yard touch down (his last one) did you see Zach Bowman (#31 Giants) have a chance to stop Marshawn and back off?

Punishing the opposing D the whole game really opens up a lot of things, and I really like having three talented RBs who seem to enjoy taking it to the opponents with Lynch, Turbin, and CMike. The fact we can do a bit of RBC may make Marshawn even more effective when he's in.

CMike definitely had a great game

 

[Snakeeyes007]

I'm baffled that people keep implying they need to see more like he sucks. The guy flashed some special talent today and has when given the chance. Even a few of his third down conversion runs this year were extremely good runs. The guy is a special talent and fans should be excited we have a guy like that behind Lynch.

I've been as frustrated as anyone that he hasn't gotten on the field more but he's looked great when given the chance. I don't understand all the hate with him.

Ditto. Folks act like a bunch of friggin doubting Thomas's for no reason. C-Mike hasn't failed to impress any time he's been given the chance to play. The couple fumbles he's had have been disappointing, but at least 2 of them were brutally unlucky plays, not because he was being nonchalant with the ball. He runs with conviction, doesn't dance around behind the line, shows incredible burst, initiates the hit on defenders when he can't get around them, and finishes after contact.

Twice he put us at the goal line yesterday, and was pulled both times to give Lynch a shot to score (thankfully for my fantasy team). Often times when a guy makes an impressive run to get down to the 1, he's rewarded with one more shot to finish the job, but that didn't happen. I commented to my wife that I wondered if our coaching staff is purposefully testing him, trying to build up his patience, humility, and hunger, with the goal of rounding him into a complete and 'reliable' back. His physical talents and immense potential put him in rare air, but as we saw with Percy, that's not enough to become a player your team can rely on. Pete challenged his maturity last year, but I haven't heard that this year. If he is being tested, I hope he passes with flying colors.

In contrast, no back on our team is more committed or works harder than Turbin. He is trusted because he can be counted on to give everything he has at all times. He'll never pout, check out, or pull himself from the game, like the aforementioned Percy. It is clear he doesn't have the talent of Lynch or C-Mike, but he's as much a warrior as anyone on the team.

Comparisons: Lynch and Michael are special, game-changing talents, but both have a level of volatility to them as men that is exhausting for coaches and execs in the high stakes game of the NFL. Lynch is a damaged man off the field, unpredictable and at times unreliable. Michael was on track to be a star in college, tore up his knees, went through a coaching change, became discontent and demonstrated immaturity that it cost him his chance to get back on top.

Lynch and Turbin are solid as a rock on the field. You go into any type of battle with these two at your side, and never have to question whether they will see it through to the end. The worst you get from Lynch is him flipping you off because he wants more of the fight.

Back to the point, those questioning C-Mike's ability are simply off-base. If his resolve continues to rise to the level of his talent, he will be a game changer, an elite back, a pro-bowler, and deeply beloved by Hawk fans everywhere.

 

[Anonymous]

I commented to my brother how amazing it was that Turbin had never fumbled on an NFL carry before despite being reckless with the football. I specifically pointed out how he often has a habit of one handing the ball away from his body at the end of the run to stretch for an extra half yard. Literally 10 seconds later, Turbin fumbles after stretching the ball out one handed for the extra half yard. You can blame me for the Turbin fumble, I deserve it.

I also shouted "just don't fumble the ball!" 1 second before Lynch had his fumble. Again, sorry.
...

Uhhhh, Kip?

You are aware that we are supposed to be quiet while the offense is on the field, right?

:mrgreen:

 

[bigskydoc]

We had a hell of a game by all 3 running backs and our QB. Could it be (gasp) that our offensive line is actually pretty good at run blocking and was opening some big holes and creating space for our runners? Say it isn't so.

 

[Ozzy]

I'm baffled that people keep implying they need to see more like he sucks. The guy flashed some special talent today and has when given the chance. Even a few of his third down conversion runs this year were extremely good runs. The guy is a special talent and fans should be excited we have a guy like that behind Lynch.

I've been as frustrated as anyone that he hasn't gotten on the field more but he's looked great when given the chance. I don't understand all the hate with him.

Ditto. Folks act like a bunch of friggin doubting Thomas's for no reason. C-Mike hasn't failed to impress any time he's been given the chance to play. The couple fumbles he's had have been disappointing, but at least 2 of them were brutally unlucky plays, not because he was being nonchalant with the ball. He runs with conviction, doesn't dance around behind the line, shows incredible burst, initiates the hit on defenders when he can't get around them, and finishes after contact.

Twice he put us at the goal line yesterday, and was pulled both times to give Lynch a shot to score (thankfully for my fantasy team). Often times when a guy makes an impressive run to get down to the 1, he's rewarded with one more shot to finish the job, but that didn't happen. I commented to my wife that I wondered if our coaching staff is purposefully testing him, trying to build up his patience, humility, and hunger, with the goal of rounding him into a complete and 'reliable' back. His physical talents and immense potential put him in rare air, but as we saw with Percy, that's not enough to become a player your team can rely on. Pete challenged his maturity last year, but I haven't heard that this year. If he is being tested, I hope he passes with flying colors.

In contrast, no back on our team is more committed or works harder than Turbin. He is trusted because he can be counted on to give everything he has at all times. He'll never pout, check out, or pull himself from the game, like the aforementioned Percy. It is clear he doesn't have the talent of Lynch or C-Mike, but he's as much a warrior as anyone on the team.

Comparisons: Lynch and Michael are special, game-changing talents, but both have a level of volatility to them as men that is exhausting for coaches and execs in the high stakes game of the NFL. Lynch is a damaged man off the field, unpredictable and at times unreliable. Michael was on track to be a star in college, tore up his knees, went through a coaching change, became discontent and demonstrated immaturity that it cost him his chance to get back on top.

Lynch and Turbin are solid as a rock on the field. You go into any type of battle with these two at your side, and never have to question whether they will see it through to the end. The worst you get from Lynch is him flipping you off because he wants more of the fight.

Back to the point, those questioning C-Mike's ability are simply off-base. If his resolve continues to rise to the level of his talent, he will be a game changer, an elite back, a pro-bowler, and deeply beloved by Hawk fans everywhere.

One of the better posts I've read on the board in a while. Nicely done.

 

[formido]

I'm baffled that people keep implying they need to see more like he sucks. The guy flashed some special talent today and has when given the chance. Even a few of his third down conversion runs this year were extremely good runs. The guy is a special talent and fans should be excited we have a guy like that behind Lynch.

I've been as frustrated as anyone that he hasn't gotten on the field more but he's looked great when given the chance. I don't understand all the hate with him.

Ditto. Folks act like a bunch of friggin doubting Thomas's for no reason. C-Mike hasn't failed to impress any time he's been given the chance to play. The couple fumbles he's had have been disappointing, but at least 2 of them were brutally unlucky plays, not because he was being nonchalant with the ball. He runs with conviction, doesn't dance around behind the line, shows incredible burst, initiates the hit on defenders when he can't get around them, and finishes after contact.

Twice he put us at the goal line yesterday, and was pulled both times to give Lynch a shot to score (thankfully for my fantasy team). Often times when a guy makes an impressive run to get down to the 1, he's rewarded with one more shot to finish the job, but that didn't happen. I commented to my wife that I wondered if our coaching staff is purposefully testing him, trying to build up his patience, humility, and hunger, with the goal of rounding him into a complete and 'reliable' back. His physical talents and immense potential put him in rare air, but as we saw with Percy, that's not enough to become a player your team can rely on. Pete challenged his maturity last year, but I haven't heard that this year. If he is being tested, I hope he passes with flying colors.

In contrast, no back on our team is more committed or works harder than Turbin. He is trusted because he can be counted on to give everything he has at all times. He'll never pout, check out, or pull himself from the game, like the aforementioned Percy. It is clear he doesn't have the talent of Lynch or C-Mike, but he's as much a warrior as anyone on the team.

Comparisons: Lynch and Michael are special, game-changing talents, but both have a level of volatility to them as men that is exhausting for coaches and execs in the high stakes game of the NFL. Lynch is a damaged man off the field, unpredictable and at times unreliable. Michael was on track to be a star in college, tore up his knees, went through a coaching change, became discontent and demonstrated immaturity that it cost him his chance to get back on top.

Lynch and Turbin are solid as a rock on the field. You go into any type of battle with these two at your side, and never have to question whether they will see it through to the end. The worst you get from Lynch is him flipping you off because he wants more of the fight.

Back to the point, those questioning C-Mike's ability are simply off-base. If his resolve continues to rise to the level of his talent, he will be a game changer, an elite back, a pro-bowler, and deeply beloved by Hawk fans everywhere.

Flawless post.

 

[hawknation2014]

Michael has shown over and over again that he can dominate against bad run defenses-- whether it be against second and third stringers during the preseason or the Giants' worst run defense in the NFL. I still very much question his potential to be an every-down back vs. a change-of-pace runner. I hope they draft a bell cow running back, who can replace Lynch's punishing style, and also complement Michael's scatback, boom-or-bust running style.

 

[DavidSeven]

Sherm Smith pointed out a week or so ago that C-Mike can't switch hands as a ball carrier and thus lacks fundamental soundness as a runner. I think this is likely a big reason they've kept him off the field and may be why his ceiling is limited.

I went back and watched Michael's clips, and Smith was right. Michael only carries the ball right-handed. That means even when he’s running left side, he’s carrying the ball on the right and exposing it to more contact. What looks like a "tough luck" fumble may actually be a result of carrying the ball toward more defenders -- thus increasing the likelihood of a defender getting under the ball. By contrast, Lynch and Turbin switch hands fluidly depending on which side they’re running on. That being said, he's certainly a dynamic runner with good vision. However, on a Pete Carroll team, I wonder if an RB with this issue (which can't seem to be corrected) will ever be eligible to be a feature back.