chris98251
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LTH":1n2cv8xr said:TwistedHusky":1n2cv8xr said:You could say the same thing about Carroll though LTH.
For most of Carroll's NFL success, he succeeded because he had HOF players that could make up for his inability to gameplan (strategically and tactically), exploit weaknesses, or even adjust in-game.
(Or even pick coordinators & coaches that could do those things!)
But if he kept it close, his HOF QB could go win it for him in the 4th (often).
He could then get by on incredible thin/threadbare gameplans that were simplistic but allowed his great players to do what they wanted to do.
He no longer has many great players left and his HOF QB won't be able to bail out his inability once his QB leaves.
Most of his HOF players besides that are getting long in the tooth or already well on the other side of their prime.
Wilson failed to learn how to be effective at certain things because he could do other things. Same with Carroll.
Both aren't doing as much of those other things.
But Carroll's shortcomings are as big if not bigger problems than Wilson's.
Ok I thought about your point, you're probably not going to see this cause it's going to get lost but...
I honestly don't see that Carroll's game plans this year have been poor. I don't remember years past specifically. Not sure why.
I don't see it as being an issue about keeping things close and winning it in the fourth. If you have the ability to do that than it's not an issue for me until you can't win those games like this year, then you have to ask the question why?
The answer that I come up with is that Wilson isn't adjusting with Pete's adjustments. He needs to learn to play within the system no matter what coach or team he plays for it's no different. I think Pete hired Waldron because he sees that Russ is not as fast as he used to be and can't do the things he used to do, a quick release passing game makes since. I think Russ has to be on the same page with Carroll and Waldron or you get what you get.
I think the Seahawks don't have the same viewpoint as you do. I say this because they signed Carrol and JS to a 5- year deal. this means they like the direction the team was going in.
Now the team has dipped. The Seahawks have to answer the question as to why.
regardless of what I think, or you think Pete is going to be able to talk himself into at least one more year due to Wilsons's injury.
It would make little since from a management perspective to sign a coach to a contract they signed him to and then bail on it after 1 losing season it would be VERY reactionary and would not show ANY confidence in the decision to sign them in the first place. It would make them look incompetent to fire Pete after one year into the new contract. So, I see at least one more year with Carroll and depending on what happens next year they will have to make that decision.
Thats just my take... and i really tried to look at it objectively. I could very well be wrong but from a management standpoint that's the way I see it
I actually think this team is close to being really good, I think if Russ was playing to his potential, we would not be having this conversation.
I know that at some point they are going to get rid of Pete. Maybe next year depending on what happens. I do not like the way they are finishing the season. It could be that Jody doesn't either and they decide to cut their losses
I guess we will find out soon enough
LTH
In that Paragraph all you really said is that Pete can't manage Wilson or Wilson refuses to listen, either way if the Coach can't manage a player either the player or Coach needs to go or both.
Thats it period.