SoulfishHawk
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You mean Haushka missing that game winner at Arizona in 2016? :lol:
Priceless! Yes, we had them dead to rights for the W and Hauschka shanks it. Seattle area ERs were suddenly inundated with Seahawks fans with mild concussions from slapping their foreheads in disbelief.SoulfishHawk":1iqm92di said:You mean Haushka missing that game winner at Arizona in 2016? :lol:
olyfan63":3kb2rbbw said:Uncle Si":3kb2rbbw said:It sounds like a ridiculous internet term for setting ones own personal agenda into a conversation.
However, moving on... Frank Clark was arrested for DV. That is a red flag. If you claim that PC and JS did their homework on him (they must have, because they don't seem naive enough to assume the mantra of the acronym you referred to) then surely they did the same with McDowell. These coaches do not succumb to "angles."
They both are inherent risks. Trying to brush away the risk of one as some social agenda is disingenuous and assumptive.
So we're into name calling and insults now? "Disingenuous and assumptive"? Really? Whatever... Especially when it seems we basically agree on nearly all points.
JS/PC knew there would be an SJW/PC poopstorm if they drafted Clark, a PR situation to "manage" for a while. And there absolutely was. The local networks brought up Clark's DV allegation several times every game for much of the first year.
Let's set the DV aspect aside for a moment; I'd forgotten there was another huge issue with Clark where he went into someone's home and jacked their MacBook Air laptop between his freshman and sophomore years. He got rung up on a felony on that one. I'll grant red flag status for that. Especially since there was an actual conviction. (Clark plea-bargained, admitted guilt, sentence gave him one more chance and eventually a clean slate if he kept his nose clean for years)
Back to DV for a moment; Clark's girlfriend gave off all the vibes of a person with a personality disorder, basically, a crazy chick who would freak out and physically attack him, leaving him the choice of whether to let her pound away and scratch and bite and claw him. There are actually many women like that, whether you have personally experienced that or not. My guess is that Clark did grab her and throw her off him. With his strength, she'd probably fly across the room, hitting the wall. I wouldn't be surprised if she came at him 3 or 4 times like that. Who is the guilty party, the smaller person initiating an assault, or the one who defends himself from the assault? In the SJW/PC world, the man is always wrong and must be jailed, charged, and found guilty. But wait, what if the smaller person initiating the assaults is male?
BTW, they did ring up Clark for Disorderly Conduct on that one.
Anyway, on the positive side of the character ledger, Clark did punch Germain Ifedi in the mouth in training camp this year during pass-rushing drills. So there is that in his favor. Bloodied Ifedi up to where he had to leave the field. Well, maybe not a positive, if it's to the point of incapacitating teammates. Oh yeah, and there was an SJW/PC-ish writer, this article here, http://thebiglead.com/2017/08/03/frank- ... -seahawks/ who insisted the Hawks should cut Clark. (to be immediately snapped up by other teams)
I wouldn't be surprised if Pete and John saw Malik McDowell as Frank Clark 2.0, or Bruce Irvin 2.0
He still could be. However, one rap whispered against McDowell was "lacking effort at times". "Lacking effort" is something I have NEVER, EVER heard about Frank Clark, or for that matter, Bruce Irvin. So that part does worry me a little.
TwistedHusky":acmebxl6 said:I do not remember people using terms like lazy or not a hard worker to describe Clark, so I am not sure I get how the comparison works. Unless we are just saying that the Seahawks are happy to pull in high ceiling guys regardless of the red flags - which hopefully they are not. Red flags for character? Sure. Red flags for work ethic? Hopefully hell no.
Uncle Si":1jxd1ors said:[
Assumptive and disingenuous are insults?
(Preface... this is a direct reply to your post, not you as a person. Your original post referring to the DV incident was assumptive and disingenuous. Your recent reply is textbook enabling. We clearly see this issue differently. Im sure you're still a good guy).
Trying to fetter out the details of a case of such personal nature on a message board is pointless. The nature of the crime and the details around it are not as important as the concept that he was involved in a violent incident and was drafted anyways. You also continue to feel the need to refer to SJW/PC as some type of derogatory term. You can defend Clark (you clearly want to while taking shots at people who take issues with DV) but its not really germane to the point of the post.
The whole point of the Frank Clark/Malik McDowell comparison was that both had legal trouble/red flags before being drafted. One would assume the Seahawks put as much effort into their research on McDowell as they did on Clark (and presumably Lynch when they traded for him). This was a reply made to a poster who questioned taking high risk players in the draft and McDowell was a reflection of that failure. I brought up Clark as a success. Why try to wedge Clark into some category other than a "risky" pick because of his issues heading into the draft? Lynch and Harvin were risky. One worked out, the other didnt.
I agree on the issues with McDowell. But PC seems to think these risks are worth taking.