Ohhhh the missed call on Wagz

[Popeyejones]

Just heard on the KIRO post game show it was deemed legal because he was on the line of scrimmage.

Can someone please explain that one in detail. I heard them say that after the play but I have no clue what they mean by that. How does the line of scrimmage play into the rules?!?!??!

They don't know what they're talking about.

They're referencing the 2017 rule change in which you can't take a running start from off the line and leap, but somehow don't know that using teammates for leverage to leap over the line has been illegal for as long as I can remember.

Anyone who seriously tries to argue he didn't use two teammates for leverage to make it over is just using fan logic and being silly.

The only thing that's really surprising about it is how obvious of a flag it was, that threw the flag, and then picked it up.

Whatever though. Really bad and potentially game changing calls happen.

 

[semiahmoo]

Refs are part of the human race.

I love them all.

May they go in peace...

 

[leea35]

h. Placing a hand or hands on a teammate or opponent to gain additional height to block or attempt to block an opponent’s kick or apparent kick, or in an attempt to jump through a gap to block an opponent’s kick or apparent kick

j. Running forward and leaping across the line of scrimmage in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or Kick, or apparent kick, unless the leaping player was in a stationary position on the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. A player, who is behind the line of scrimmage before or at the snap, may run forward and leap, provided he does not cross the line of scrimmage or land on players.

Those are how the penalties are worded according to https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/20 ... ke-conduct

Rule 12, Section 3, Article 1.

 

[Jeremy517]

Just heard on the KIRO post game show it was deemed legal because he was on the line of scrimmage.

They're looking at the wrong rule. Here's the rule in question:

(p) Placing a hand or hands on a teammate or opponent to gain additional height to block or attempt to block an opponent’s kick or apparent kick, or in an attempt to jump through a gap to block an opponent’s kick or apparent kick.

There is no line of scrimmage exclusion for that one, which is the one he would be guilty of. The line of scrimmage exclusion is on a different rule:

(r) Running forward and leaping across the line of scrimmage in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or Try Kick, or apparent kick, unless the leaping player was in a stationary position on the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped.

 

[Uncle Si]

I can argue his hands didnt give him leverage.

 

[Popeyejones]

I was thinking more in lines that even if they called it,,,,,,,,,doesn't mean that caused the Minnesota loss.

Absolutely true.

But when that call goes against your team rather than for it all of sudden nobody wants to be held to that standard. :lol:

I see it with 9ers fans all the time. It's why we have 32 fanbases which all insist that their team gets atypically screwed by officiating (which, because these 32 teams are playing each other, is literally impossible). :x

 

[Hawknballs]

The refs were bad.

Cousins and his 80 bajillion dollars was worse.

21-7 final score.

 

[BigMeach]

Just heard on the KIRO post game show it was deemed legal because he was on the line of scrimmage.

Can someone please explain that one in detail. I heard them say that after the play but I have no clue what they mean by that. How does the line of scrimmage play into the rules?!?!??!

They don't know what they're talking about.

They're referencing the 2017 rule change in which you can't take a running start from off the line and leap, but somehow don't know that using teammates for leverage to leap over the line has been illegal for as long as I can remember.

Anyone who seriously tries to argue he didn't use two teammates for leverage to make it over is just using fan logic and being silly.

The only thing that's really surprising about it is how obvious of a flag it was, that threw the flag, and then picked it up.

Whatever though. Really bad and potentially game changing calls happen.

Can you elaborate on the leverage and obvious part? I mean I see the hands touch but he's coming down at that point as far as I could tell.

 

[ivotuk]

I can argue his hands didnt give him leverage.

That's what Scott Van Pelt said. Must be a Seahawks homer

 

[KitsapGuy]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GeneSteratore/status/1072343942258147328[/tweet]

 

[Popeyejones]

Just heard on the KIRO post game show it was deemed legal because he was on the line of scrimmage.

Can someone please explain that one in detail. I heard them say that after the play but I have no clue what they mean by that. How does the line of scrimmage play into the rules?!?!??!

They don't know what they're talking about.

They're referencing the 2017 rule change in which you can't take a running start from off the line and leap, but somehow don't know that using teammates for leverage to leap over the line has been illegal for as long as I can remember.

Anyone who seriously tries to argue he didn't use two teammates for leverage to make it over is just using fan logic and being silly.

The only thing that's really surprising about it is how obvious of a flag it was, that threw the flag, and then picked it up.

Whatever though. Really bad and potentially game changing calls happen.

Can you elaborate on the leverage and obvious part? I mean I see the hands touch but he's coming down at that point as far as I could tell.

Jeremy517 quoted the actual rule above.

. (p) Placing a hand or hands on a teammate or opponent to gain additional height to block or attempt to block an opponent’s kick or apparent kick, or in an attempt to jump through a gap to block an opponent’s kick or apparent kick.

If you want to argue that he didn't place his hands on a teammate (really two teammates) to gain height or jump through a gap I can't really stop you, but I don't see the point in debating if reality is real or not.

If peolle wanna say with a straight face that pushing his palms flat on two teammates' backs while pushing himself over is something other than it is, more power to em, I guess. :lol:

 

[Uncle Si]

did he gain height?

 

[semiahmoo]

did he gain height?

Enough w/the Wilson short jokes...

 

[Jeremy517]

did he gain height?

He did it to jump through the gap, which is the second no-no listed in the rule.

 

[semiahmoo]

did he gain height?

He did it to jump through the gap, which is the second no-no listed in that sentence.

:idea:

 

[hoxrox]

Placing a hand or hands on a teammate or opponent "to gain additional height"

Debatable.

 

[rcaido]

my thread got lock...had more to do with media against the seahawks but I guess one thread only... :roll:

So do you guys think this play will be kept replaying all season long? We still haven't recovered from fail mary and other fans think we benefit with most calls.

 

[Uncle Si]

did he gain height?

He did it to jump through the gap, which is the second no-no listed in the rule.

If he used his hands as leverage. But he didnt gain height, and he didnt gain acceleration. Maybe balance.

The guy pulled it because he wasn't sure. His hands on their backs with little physical advantage can be debated. im bored of this already.

 

[bigskydoc]

It has a high likelihood of being replayed, along with the “fail Mary,” when we make MNF appearances.

 

[Hawkpower]

Both sides are being a little over the top here: Niner fan trying to make sure the hawk fans stay grounded while overdoing the infraction (Bobby makes contact but really gained no push from the minimal contact) and a few hawk fans here not acknowledging that while the contact was minimal, probably should have been a penalty regardless according to the letter of the rule.

To me though the bigger question is why? Why is this a penalty anyway? Seems odd-what are they trying to prevent?