pehawk":1ok3rhtx said:Wow, racist as hell Sgt. Largent. Even for me who normally likes that type of humor.
Oh, nevermind, I see you edited it.
pehawk":1ok3rhtx said:Wow, racist as hell Sgt. Largent. Even for me who normally likes that type of humor.
hawker84":2yxnzlmw said:Give Russ some time, he'll make them all look like all stars.... you could have Julio, Brown, and Beckham, and it wouldn't mean anything, if you don't have line protection...
Sgt. Largent":hqvhxphj said:I'd say just by having Russell as our QB, an elite level QB that has never missed a snap in his entire career AUTOMATICALLY puts the Hawks offense at least in the top 15.
I get it, no Doug and many question marks at the TE and WR position might not instill a lot of confidence if you're putting a list like this together. But anything lower than 12-15 with our nasty run game, Carson and Russell is laughable.
John63":3eutmfda said:Sgt. Largent":3eutmfda said:I'd say just by having Russell as our QB, an elite level QB that has never missed a snap in his entire career AUTOMATICALLY puts the Hawks offense at least in the top 15.
I get it, no Doug and many question marks at the TE and WR position might not instill a lot of confidence if you're putting a list like this together. But anything lower than 12-15 with our nasty run game, Carson and Russell is laughable.
I believe this doe snto onclude the QB it is basically the supporting cast around the QB
Hmm, so Drafting DK , Jennings, & Ursua to take up the slack left by Baldwins injury and retirement isn't really necessary to the Offensive attack?...What am I missing? :34853_tinfoil:HawkGA":3p5engzv said:hawker84":3p5engzv said:Give Russ some time, he'll make them all look like all stars.... you could have Julio, Brown, and Beckham, and it wouldn't mean anything, if you don't have line protection...
I'm definitely in the "WRs aren't actually the important part of a passing game." I think the OL and QB are what makes a passing game. WRs are becoming like RBs. You can build a good arsenal with low draft picks and no flashy names.
scutterhawk":3gp80xst said:Hmm, so Drafting DK , Jennings, & Ursua to take up the slack left by Baldwins injury and retirement isn't really necessary to the Offensive attack?...What am I missing? :34853_tinfoil:HawkGA":3gp80xst said:hawker84":3gp80xst said:Give Russ some time, he'll make them all look like all stars.... you could have Julio, Brown, and Beckham, and it wouldn't mean anything, if you don't have line protection...
I'm definitely in the "WRs aren't actually the important part of a passing game." I think the OL and QB are what makes a passing game. WRs are becoming like RBs. You can build a good arsenal with low draft picks and no flashy names.
scutterhawk":1dapos32 said:John63":1dapos32 said:Sgt. Largent":1dapos32 said:I'd say just by having Russell as our QB, an elite level QB that has never missed a snap in his entire career AUTOMATICALLY puts the Hawks offense at least in the top 15.
I get it, no Doug and many question marks at the TE and WR position might not instill a lot of confidence if you're putting a list like this together. But anything lower than 12-15 with our nasty run game, Carson and Russell is laughable.
I believe this doe snto onclude the QB it is basically the supporting cast around the QB
Then by omitting pertinent data, it's an incomplete evaluation, and as Chris stated, it belongs in the circular file under blather.
scutterhawk":3hw5hh88 said:Hmm, so Drafting DK , Jennings, & Ursua to take up the slack left by Baldwins injury and retirement isn't really necessary to the Offensive attack?...What am I missing? :34853_tinfoil:HawkGA":3hw5hh88 said:hawker84":3hw5hh88 said:Give Russ some time, he'll make them all look like all stars.... you could have Julio, Brown, and Beckham, and it wouldn't mean anything, if you don't have line protection...
I'm definitely in the "WRs aren't actually the important part of a passing game." I think the OL and QB are what makes a passing game. WRs are becoming like RBs. You can build a good arsenal with low draft picks and no flashy names.
John63":quhoy0w8 said:scutterhawk":quhoy0w8 said:John63":quhoy0w8 said:Sgt. Largent":quhoy0w8 said:I'd say just by having Russell as our QB, an elite level QB that has never missed a snap in his entire career AUTOMATICALLY puts the Hawks offense at least in the top 15.
I get it, no Doug and many question marks at the TE and WR position might not instill a lot of confidence if you're putting a list like this together. But anything lower than 12-15 with our nasty run game, Carson and Russell is laughable.
I believe this doe snto onclude the QB it is basically the supporting cast around the QB
Then by omitting pertinent data, it's an incomplete evaluation, and as Chris stated, it belongs in the circular file under blather.
No, because that point is the talent surrounding the QB, so if it is about that why would you include the QB? You would not. Now I understand some of you need to find any way you can to down play anything that does not go with what ever narrative you want. However, the reality is we do not have the same talent around our QB that other top QBs have.
xray":124dlbgp said:John63":124dlbgp said:scutterhawk":124dlbgp said:John63":124dlbgp said:I believe this doe snto onclude the QB it is basically the supporting cast around the QB
Then by omitting pertinent data, it's an incomplete evaluation, and as Chris stated, it belongs in the circular file under blather.
No, because that point is the talent surrounding the QB, so if it is about that why would you include the QB? You would not. Now I understand some of you need to find any way you can to down play anything that does not go with what ever narrative you want. However, the reality is we do not have the same talent around our QB that other top QBs have.
We will be pleasantly surprised with the WR group this season. :0190l:
McGruff":sum4n3ns said:xray":sum4n3ns said:John63":sum4n3ns said:scutterhawk":sum4n3ns said:Then by omitting pertinent data, it's an incomplete evaluation, and as Chris stated, it belongs in the circular file under blather.
No, because that point is the talent surrounding the QB, so if it is about that why would you include the QB? You would not. Now I understand some of you need to find any way you can to down play anything that does not go with what ever narrative you want. However, the reality is we do not have the same talent around our QB that other top QBs have.
We will be pleasantly surprised with the WR group this season. :0190l:
While i dont think we will reach volume numbers, I agree that we will be surprised by the lethal efficiency of this group.
A starting 3 of Metcalf, Brown and Lockett will be fun.
Oh, I SEE, if you have a TOP OF THE LINE set of golf clubs at yer disposal, it doesn't matter who's swingin' em, cuz you're still gunna have a great game.John63":1xeju9lu said:scutterhawk":1xeju9lu said:John63":1xeju9lu said:Sgt. Largent":1xeju9lu said:I'd say just by having Russell as our QB, an elite level QB that has never missed a snap in his entire career AUTOMATICALLY puts the Hawks offense at least in the top 15.
I get it, no Doug and many question marks at the TE and WR position might not instill a lot of confidence if you're putting a list like this together. But anything lower than 12-15 with our nasty run game, Carson and Russell is laughable.
I believe this doe snto onclude the QB it is basically the supporting cast around the QB
Then by omitting pertinent data, it's an incomplete evaluation, and as Chris stated, it belongs in the circular file under blather.
No, because that point is the talent surrounding the QB, so if it is about that why would you include the QB? You would not. Now I understand some of you need to find any way you can to down play anything that does not go with what ever narrative you want. However, the reality is we do not have the same talent around our QB that other top QBs have.
scutterhawk":2nkqs8by said:Oh, I SEE, if you have a TOP OF THE LINE set of golf clubs at yer disposal, it doesn't matter who's swingin' em, cuz you're still gunna have a great game.John63":2nkqs8by said:scutterhawk":2nkqs8by said:John63":2nkqs8by said:I believe this doe snto onclude the QB it is basically the supporting cast around the QB
Then by omitting pertinent data, it's an incomplete evaluation, and as Chris stated, it belongs in the circular file under blather.
No, because that point is the talent surrounding the QB, so if it is about that why would you include the QB? You would not. Now I understand some of you need to find any way you can to down play anything that does not go with what ever narrative you want. However, the reality is we do not have the same talent around our QB that other top QBs have.
OR, the reason I include the difference maker (The Quarterback), is because he is the catalyst, he's the one that's making everyone around him better.
That's the reason that Wilson + DK + a few others are working out together BEFORE Training Camp.
That's not my "Narritive", that's just the facts.
The "Article" dismisses the catalyst of the Seahawks Offense, putting them a 29th of 32 teams = bullshit.John63":1px1m3ue said:scutterhawk":1px1m3ue said:Oh, I SEE, if you have a TOP OF THE LINE set of golf clubs at yer disposal, it doesn't matter who's swingin' em, cuz you're still gunna have a great game.John63":1px1m3ue said:scutterhawk":1px1m3ue said:Then by omitting pertinent data, it's an incomplete evaluation, and as Chris stated, it belongs in the circular file under blather.
No, because that point is the talent surrounding the QB, so if it is about that why would you include the QB? You would not. Now I understand some of you need to find any way you can to down play anything that does not go with what ever narrative you want. However, the reality is we do not have the same talent around our QB that other top QBs have.
OR, the reason I include the difference maker (The Quarterback), is because he is the catalyst, he's the one that's making everyone around him better.
That's the reason that Wilson + DK + a few others are working out together BEFORE Training Camp.
That's not my "Narritive", that's just the facts.
No you have a top of the line set of clubs and each club bring something to the table, regardless who is swinging them. What they can bring can be better or worse based on who swings them, but there is a base line regardless. That is the point, this is about the talent around the Qb and what they bring to the table, not what they bring with a great QB or bad QB they themselves bring. As to your DK example, in a way you are right, yes DK with Wilson will probably bring more than the base line of a WR of his skills, and attributes. However, that is not the point of the article, it is what they bring regardless of who is throwing the ball to them.
scutterhawk":2c0go3pu said:The "Article" dismisses the catalyst of the Seahawks Offense, putting them a 29th of 32 teams = bullshit.John63":2c0go3pu said:scutterhawk":2c0go3pu said:Oh, I SEE, if you have a TOP OF THE LINE set of golf clubs at yer disposal, it doesn't matter who's swingin' em, cuz you're still gunna have a great game.John63":2c0go3pu said:No, because that point is the talent surrounding the QB, so if it is about that why would you include the QB? You would not. Now I understand some of you need to find any way you can to down play anything that does not go with what ever narrative you want. However, the reality is we do not have the same talent around our QB that other top QBs have.
OR, the reason I include the difference maker (The Quarterback), is because he is the catalyst, he's the one that's making everyone around him better.
That's the reason that Wilson + DK + a few others are working out together BEFORE Training Camp.
That's not my "Narritive", that's just the facts.
No you have a top of the line set of clubs and each club bring something to the table, regardless who is swinging them. What they can bring can be better or worse based on who swings them, but there is a base line regardless. That is the point, this is about the talent around the Qb and what they bring to the table, not what they bring with a great QB or bad QB they themselves bring. As to your DK example, in a way you are right, yes DK with Wilson will probably bring more than the base line of a WR of his skills, and attributes. However, that is not the point of the article, it is what they bring regardless of who is throwing the ball to them.
The Offense isn't created in a vacuum, if the Quarterback buys time (as Wilson has done with regularity), that CHANGES the formula, and that has to be considered when evaluating the "Offensive Supporting Cast".
Do they fit the SEAHAWKS Offensive scheme, are the on the same wave with the Quarterback, I assure you that Schotts takes all this into account when game planning.
Other examples, Sidney Rice was a GREAT "Fit", Marshawn Lynch was GREAT "Fit", Doug Baldwin worked his ass off and became a GREAT "Fit"
NOT including the Quarterback when formulating the "Offensive Supporting Cast" is simplistic, and leaves you with incomplete data.
Here's another example...Some say that Russ hangs onto the ball too long, that wouldn't be on the O-Line players ("Supporting Cast"), that's on Wilson....It's just another part of the formula that has to be accounted for when evaluating players on the Offensive Line.
scutterhawk":3avvfv0k said:Tis yourself that is arguing a moot point, incomplete data, an undeveloped picture.
Context matters--Evaluating a player or players without taking into account of how he/they will fit into a particular system..A "System" which includes how he/they will function with the other "Supporting Cast" team members.
Here's just one more pertinent fact to this argument...As fantastic a LT as Walter Jones was, he was even BETTER when he had Steve Hutchinson at his side, The LEFT side was better because they fed off of -> EACH OTHER<-("Supporting Cast"),and that's why you have to include EVERYONE on Offense (including the Quarterback) when evaluating each and every individual.
Same with Defense, the LOB wasn't JUST ONE OUTSTANDING PLAYER.
Last time I checked, Football is a Team sport.
More to ponder....Why is it that we almost always have to wait a year or two to assess that a Rookie is worth where he got Drafted?, Answer, because sometimes they need the time to MELD with other team mates ("Supporting Cast")