Archer":14pes5x8 said:
NINEster":14pes5x8 said:
Golden Tate became a pro bowler after leaving Seattle.
You'd never know that Jimmy Graham kept DC's up at night once upon a time, if you only saw him last year.
Percy Harvin has NFL tape worthy of some team giving up what the Hawks gave up for him. Unfortunately he went to the wrong team.
Defensive players get better joining Seattle, offensive guys don't. Marshawn Lynch is the only offensive player I can think of that joined the Hawks and became a better player.
49ers for what it's worth maximize defensive players pretty well. Not every single damn one of them, but they've done a decent job, better than most teams. Justin Smith and Ahmad Brooks left Cincinnati and became real forces.
Now on offense you might have a point, and many Niner fans have said that the team didn't develop the guys as much as we would have liked.
But would Crabtree have been a dominant WR if he went to Green Bay or New England instead? I'm not so sure. His 2012 season was pretty good, not sure if he would have done a lot better elsewhere. Hakeem Nicks looked great with the Giants up until that knee injury against the Bucs in 2012. Could Crabtree have been that type of monster?
Maybe.
But no way was Nicks going to do anything more in SF. Or Seattle.
Golden Tate was just as good in Seattle and almost everyone here assumed when he went to Detroit he would show up on the NFL's radar due to the increase in passing %. In no way did Tate suddenly blossom there after sucking in Seattle, it is just volume.
Jimmy Graham has been here 1 year and suffered a catastrophic injury. If you look past media narrative, you would know he was actually on pace to put up good season numbers prior to that. This example is disingenuous.
Harvin was an obvious mistake, but it wasn't like he has lit the league up after he left our team either. Dude was a headcase and continued to be so on the Jets and the Bills, hence his recent retirement.
All your examples are garbage and your argument is flawed.
I actually think there is a development and utilization problem in SF, which is why your team became REALLY EFFING good when Harbaugh was there (I'm counting assistant coaches as well). I feel like even right now you have a pretty good group of players, that are currently underperforming. Maybe Kelly will help with that, it remains to be seen. Coaching is really important, just look at the Rams.
Totally agree with the bolded. In fact Its one of the reasons I think Harbaugh was fired. To be clear, I'm not saying they were CORRECT in this mindset but there have been reports that upper management became a bit frustrated with players not improving as they thought they should under Harbaughs staff. Now of course that wasn't the ONLY reason, but I have heard that was A reason.
Thats the reason York said repeatedly he wanted a "teacher" before the hire of Tomsula.
Obviously, that was a total trainwreck.
As it stands right now there are quite a few young 49ers I want to see this year and see what they can contribute. I almost feel as if last year was just a throwaway and little can be made of it. They have ALOT of young players who have yet to have gotten an opportunity. This OF COURSE doesn't mean that these guys will be great...or even good. Just interesting to see how they play out. On that list:
Jimmie Ward: he's everywhere in OTAs...Outside, slot, safety. They are trying to maximize his time on the field after playing well at the end of last year.
Eli Harold: Did little as a rookie and seemed to get overpowered at time, but put on TWENTY FIVE POUNDS in the offseason. He's now nearly at 270 lbs.
Tank Carradine: The Anti-Harold. Has LOST 20+ pounds to be a situational pass rusher and OLB.
Arik Armstead: Didn't get on the field early but when he did late he was graded by PFF as one of the best 3-4 DEs in the league.
Jaquaski Tarrt: Didn't play a ton because safety is one of Niners deepest positions, but hits like a truck and looked pretty good at times.
Brandon Thomas: No idea why, but he couldn't sniff the field under Tomsula. Now is playing with the first team in OTAs, tho Joshua Garnett plays that spot and can't take part because Stanford is on quarters system.
DeAndre Smelter: WR, 6'2", 220 lbs, 11" (not a misprint) hands. Had an ACL in collegeso is just getting his first chances now.
I could really go on and on about guys I want to see this year. I almost feel like there is a 20 man rookie class. LOL. All of these guys could totally suck. I don't want to sell this as a new generation of sleeper superstars or something, but I do think there is more talent there than people think.
What I don't know is if any of these coaches can get it out of them even if it IS there. We'll see.