Why not Walt??

[PlinytheCenter]

O-line coach, consultant, whatever...what's the friggin problem? Bring him in! You don't think players will listen to a HOF player who had more years in the NFL than holding penalties??

 

[olyfan63]

The question a few posts ago by WindyCityHawk was on the money... What coaching has Walt been doing?
I don't care if it's coaching PeeWee or Middle School or whatever, has he been out working on his coaching skills?
I have no doubt that Pete and Co. can improve his coaching "technique" and skills over time, and give him all the support needed, but the passion for coaching has to be there. So a track record of being involved in coaching, at whatever level, would show that.

He doesn't have to come in as the O-Line coach; teams in all sports use all kinds of technique trainers and consultants to work with athletes. Blair Walsh I'm sure had kicker training coaches working with him. For all the good it did.

Walt as O-Line techniques coaching specialist would be good enough for me. A few hours of specialized training each week for the O-Line guys, and offseason program work, etc. Let's hope the team gets it rolling and brings Walt in. If he does awesome, Pete will expand his role. If not so awesome, well, it would be hard to be worse than what we had.

 

[Smellyman]

I don't know about Walt. Yes Walt had great work ethic, but he was also one of the physically gifted athletes in history. It might be hard to be able to teach things when they came to him so easy and naturally.

I've always felt this way. Great players don't usually make good coaches. especially ones that haven't ever been coaches.

'Why can't you do this?' because they aren't nearly as good as you.

 

[Seymour]

I don't know about Walt. Yes Walt had great work ethic, but he was also one of the physically gifted athletes in history. It might be hard to be able to teach things when they came to him so easy and naturally.

I've always felt this way. Great players don't usually make good coaches. especially ones that haven't ever been coaches.

'Why can't you do this?' because they aren't nearly as good as you.

He has been working as a training coach. He worked with Fant last off season, and unfortunately we were unable to really see that play out. All signs were he was much improved until the injury.

I guess if Fant turns into a stud, people will just say that is the 2nd year jump moreso than Walt helping him.

Ya, I realize making him oline coach is a leap, but bring him in and find some scouting / special training / special advisor type position to have his HOF winning attitude and habits to spread to those guys that need it most.

The other option is to get and actually pay players that know their trade that don't need to be coached up to the degree that our oline building philosophy demands. Then I'd say we don't need him.

 

[Boycie]

Walt was arguably the best LT of all time. He had tremendous natural ability, but he also had great technique. I don't know if he would be a good coach because he may not be able to relate to other o-linemen because of just how natural and easy it was for him to be great.

It's like when Gretzky became the coach of the Coyotes back in the mid 2000s. Everyone thought that because he was the best player to ever lace em up, that he would automatically be a great coach too, and that wasn't the case.

The best coaches who were ex players are usually the ones who were bubble starters, or had to really claw and scratch to stay in the league, and because of that, for whatever reason seem to be able to relate to their players and thus get the most out of them.

 

[taz291819]

The question a few posts ago by WindyCityHawk was on the money... What coaching has Walt been doing?
I don't care if it's coaching PeeWee or Middle School or whatever, has he been out working on his coaching skills?
I have no doubt that Pete and Co. can improve his coaching "technique" and skills over time, and give him all the support needed, but the passion for coaching has to be there. So a track record of being involved in coaching, at whatever level, would show that.

Walt used to live here in Huntsville, Al, had a full-size football field on his property. He use to hold football camps for kids during the summer (not sure what ages).

 

[Sox-n-Hawks]

Tim Drevno is the other OL coach and maybe OC I would try to bring onboard. There's a reason Harbaugh took him to Michigan.

 

[Seymour]

Tim Drevno is the other OL coach and maybe OC I would try to bring onboard. There's a reason Harbaugh took him to Michigan.

That is a consideration worth looking into.

That could be a win - win. Gets us a proven commodity, and gets one last kick in the balls to hairbag.

 

[HawkFan72]

How many Escalades can they fit on the practice field?

 

[oldhawkfan]

A great player doesn't necessarily equate to great coach. It also doesn't mean they can't coach. The thing we don't know about Walt is his ability to coach.

I'm a teacher so I will explain it like this...
The best student in a class might be extremely competent and adept at learning and showing what they have learned via assessment. But they might not have the skills necessary to impart that wisdom to others. I came to teaching later in life as a second career. I always knew that I had teaching abilities within me. What surprised me during my education to become a certified teacher was what I didn't know about teaching. I still learn knew techniques and ideas about teaching after many years in the classroom.

No way would I have been a successful teacher without the tools gained in learning how to impart wisdom and knowledge to others.

Walter Jones is absolutely one of the best players to ever play for the Seahawks and is one of the best players to ever play in the NFL. His playing experience and knowledge of the game are rare. A coach is a teacher just as much as a teacher is a coach. I would be all for Walt working as a coach if he had some experience in that arena. He doesn't.

If I had been put in a position to teach without the knowledge required to perform the job, I would have been ineffective to my students, frustrated with myself, and resented by my colleagues.

 

[bigskydoc]

"Guess" is the key word here....You GUESS he can't be good at Coaching, OR, you GUESS he COULD maybe be good at Coaching....I'll admit I don't KNOW, but using your "GUESS" gig here, I'M betting that YOU don't KNOW whether he would, or wouldn't be a good Coach......Just admit it LOL, you are "GUESSING". :lol: :lol: :lol:

You are guessing too. We all are guessing. Difference is, you are willing to gamble that your guess is correct. Others don't want to gamble that their guess might be wrong.

I think the idea of bringing him in is a good one, but I would wait to hear from our new O-line coach first. It is entirely possible that someone like Jones would overshadow a new coach, especially if that coach was newer, and didn't quite have the pedigree to demand respect over Jones. If we hire someone like that, I would prefer to let him get established before bringing in a Jones.

I'm not too hopeful that Jones would be a great coach. Without rehashing the litany of great players who have failed at coaching, or the top coaches and how they graded as players, I'm just struggling to remember the last HOF level player, in any sport, who succeeded as a coach.

If my career was similar to the NFL, I would have been a late first, early second round talent, from a highly respected, non-SEC school. I would be the guy who was drafted by the Jets, or the Browns, or Buffalo, and elected to stay on in free agency. That probably torpedoes my hopes of getting into the HOF, but I would still make a probowl more often than not.

I never found training to be particularly difficult or stressful. Anesthesia came naturally to me. Yes, just like anyone else, I had to put in the time with the books, and other training, but it actually sitting in an OR, taking care of patients was about as difficult as getting out of bed in the morning. I never really needed anyone to show me how to do a procedure, or coach me through it. Describe it to me, or let me read about it in a book, and then let me just do it. In fact, there were several procedures that I figured out for myself then taught to my "coaches." From day one, I seemed to have a innate sense of trouble and how to stay out of it. My "coaches" left me alone earlier and more often then they would my fellow trainees.

In my last year of training, I had the opportunity to teach new residents. It was the most frustrating experience of my life, and it was the first time that I was presented with a challenge that I couldn't really overcome. I didn't understand how they couldn't see trouble coming from a mile away, or know when their patient was actually safe, despite an ugly mess going on below. I would try to teach skills, and I couldn't understand why they couldn't figure out how to move their hands just so, to place a line easily. I had no idea how to teach something that came so effortlessly to me. Watching them fumble around, more often than not, resulted in my just taking over and finishing rather than helping them figure out how to do it for themselves.

Compare that to my hockey career. I was never a very good hockey player. Had to work harder than anyone else. Come in early, stay late. My left leg was always weaker, and I had to figure out how to compensate. My wrist shot was decent, but my slap shot was abysmal. Everything was a struggle, and I had no chance of playing anything except rec at the collegiate level.

When I started coaching, it came pretty easily though. I could identify weak areas and help players compensate using techniques that I had figured out or learned from others. I understood what they were struggling with, and why. I was able to introduce drills to make them better players. Some of them went on to play D1 collegiate hockey.

Now, Jones could be very different. He might be the one guy that is just about the best to ever do something, and still be able to teach others how to follow in his footsteps, but history, and my anecdotal stories, don't offer much hope, unless he is the exception to the rule.

I would love to bring the guy in to see what he has to offer, but it could blow up in our face, and set the potential progress of our offensive line back by several years.

 

[bigskydoc]

Tim Drevno is the other OL coach and maybe OC I would try to bring onboard. There's a reason Harbaugh took him to Michigan.

That is a consideration worth looking into.

That could be a win - win. Gets us a proven commodity, and gets one last kick in the balls to hairbag.

Is there anyone we could get who would be a kick in the balls to Cable?

 

[Seymour]

Tim Drevno is the other OL coach and maybe OC I would try to bring onboard. There's a reason Harbaugh took him to Michigan.

That is a consideration worth looking into.

That could be a win - win. Gets us a proven commodity, and gets one last kick in the balls to hairbag.

Is there anyone we could get who would be a kick in the balls to Cable?

You mean besides ex wifes and ex girlfriends?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=4613549

 

[scutterhawk]

A great player doesn't necessarily equate to great coach. It also doesn't mean they can't coach. The thing we don't know about Walt is his ability to coach.

I'm a teacher so I will explain it like this...
The best student in a class might be extremely competent and adept at learning and showing what they have learned via assessment. But they might not have the skills necessary to impart that wisdom to others. I came to teaching later in life as a second career. I always knew that I had teaching abilities within me. What surprised me during my education to become a certified teacher was what I didn't know about teaching. I still learn knew techniques and ideas about teaching after many years in the classroom.

No way would I have been a successful teacher without the tools gained in learning how to impart wisdom and knowledge to others.

Walter Jones is absolutely one of the best players to ever play for the Seahawks and is one of the best players to ever play in the NFL. His playing experience and knowledge of the game are rare. A coach is a teacher just as much as a teacher is a coach. I would be all for Walt working as a coach if he had some experience in that arena. He doesn't.

If I had been put in a position to teach without the knowledge required to perform the job, I would have been ineffective to my students, frustrated with myself, and resented by my colleagues.

Okay...let's just ->ASSUME<- that he can't Coach/Teach.
Why would Russell Wilson even need a Quarterbacks Coach, or for that matter, why even bother hiring ANY Position Coaches?.............EMBELLISHMENT, that's why.
It's Obvious that not everyone can Coach and instill wisdom like Tom Cable did, eh?

 

[Seymour]

Embellishment? What good does that do? Are we going to say we have 21 points instead of 10 or something?

 

[bigskydoc]

We don't need someone who can embellish players, like Wilson, who are already performing near all-time great levels.

We need someone to come in and build an offensive line, from the ground up, with players who are performing like scraps of detritus that Wall-E sifted from the junk piles of future earth.

 

[scutterhawk]

Embellishment? What good does that do? Are we going to say we have 21 points instead of 10 or something?

To use every resource at your disposal to HELP make players BETTER, to Embellish/Enrich on their talents.

 

[Seymour]

Embellishment? What good does that do? Are we going to say we have 21 points instead of 10 or something?

To use every resource at your disposal to HELP make players BETTER, to Embellish/Enrich on their talents.

I think you confuse the word embellish with enhance. :?:

 

[chris98251]

Would not think Walter could be a good O line coach out of the gate, being so good may have expectations that are hard to reach for many players. As an Assistant position coach type for the tackles I think he could teach them a lot as far as technique, reads and set ups etc at least initially.

 

[Coug_Hawk08]

Would not think Walter could be a good O line coach out of the gate, being so good may have expectations that are hard to reach for many players. As an Assistant position coach type for the tackles I think he could teach them a lot as far as technique, reads and set ups etc at least initially.

Well, it’d be nice to have high expectations set for once — our guys have clearly been underachieving.

We don’t want another full on ‘run game coordinator’, if he can help with technique/reads and set ups like you said, that’s enough for me.