NFL Scheduling Idiots Week 18

[flv2]

You misunderstood

We KNOW the fine print

My point is that the NFL keeps flexible scheduling (in part) to ensure no team gets a competitve advantages based on kickoff times

Which they flat out went back on here

So they should scrap the whole idea if they are going to renag on it when it fits something they want more

Again, SNF flexing takes precedence. The 2 Saturday games further complicate matters.

The point of the Week 18 competitive advantage rule is to schedule every game, (outside of SNF), at the same time for all teams who are competing for the same playoff seeding. This is to prevent a hypothetical situation where the Patriots could rest their starters in an afternoon game because the results of the morning games meant they had already clinched the #7 seed. In 1 season a playoff spot came down to margin of victory in the final game. The start time for the Bengals Week 18 game has yet to be determined because of this policy.

If the Packers game hadn't been selected for SNF then both the Packers and Seahawks games would take place simultaneously in the afternoon slot.

 

[renofox]

On the other side of this is: The do the Seahawks really deserve to be in the playoffs? We're only in this position because we went on a huge losing streak. We have to rely on the Detroit Lions because we didn't take care of business against some of the worst teams in the NFL.

We dug our own hole, now we get to lie in it.

As recently as 2020 we wouldn't have even been in playoff contention, but the NFL expanded the playoffs.

Whether the Seahawks "deserve to make the playoffs" or don't deserve it is not the point.

The Seahawks DO deserve a fairly constructed Week 18 schedule.

Several years ago, the NFL decided to not set the final week schedule until Monday of Week 18 TO MAKE SURE THAT TEAMS WERE NOT GIVEN AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE FROM KNOWLEDGE OF THE RESULTS OF RELEVANT GAMES PLAYED EARLIER.

In all seasons since, they have scheduled games which impacted each other simultaneously.

This season, they did the exact opposite and violated their fiduciary duty to create a fair and even competitive environment.

Several articles are now available online making this point, and many neutral sportswriters are also making this point.

If the NFL doesn't start fixing the problems that are causing many to question it's integrity, it will definitely affect it's financial future.

 

[kidhawk]

Again, SNF flexing takes precedence. The 2 Saturday games further complicate matters.

The point of the Week 18 competitive advantage rule is to schedule every game, (outside of SNF), at the same time for all teams who are competing for the same playoff seeding. This is to prevent a hypothetical situation where the Patriots could rest their starters in an afternoon game because the results of the morning games meant they had already clinched the #7 seed. In 1 season a playoff spot came down to margin of victory in the final game. The start time for the Bengals Week 18 game has yet to be determined because of this policy.

If the Packers game hadn't been selected for SNF then both the Packers and Seahawks games would take place simultaneously in the afternoon slot.

Most of what you are saying is accurate but saying SNF flex rules take precedent is wrong. Week 18 has no teams scheduled at any given time. The schedules for all week 18 games are announced 6 days before the game is played. Any team can be out into any time slot. The reasons for this are to not give any team an advantage and to make for the most competitive schedule for tv and advertising revenues almost all the games are scheduled to be concurrent with the other games that matter to their playoff hopes or positioning. Green Bay is the glaring exception.

With that said, after what happened during MNF tonight I find this to be much less important.

 

[Hawkpower]

Again, SNF flexing takes precedence. The 2 Saturday games further complicate matters.

The point of the Week 18 competitive advantage rule is to schedule every game, (outside of SNF), at the same time for all teams who are competing for the same playoff seeding. This is to prevent a hypothetical situation where the Patriots could rest their starters in an afternoon game because the results of the morning games meant they had already clinched the #7 seed. In 1 season a playoff spot came down to margin of victory in the final game. The start time for the Bengals Week 18 game has yet to be determined because of this policy.

If the Packers game hadn't been selected for SNF then both the Packers and Seahawks games would take place simultaneously in the afternoon slot.

Yes, and the fact that they ARENT taking place at the same time (despite the NFL’s insistence that it does so to maintain competitive fairness) is what’s angering hawk fans.

And justifiably so

 

[Hawkpower]

They also control their own destiny right now because they've been taking care of business lately. They are on a four game win streak. Before last game we lost five of our last six games. Once again, there is nobody to blame but ourselves if we don't make it into the playoffs.

They got hot at the right time, while we fell off at the midpoint of the year. Our inability to adjust and our inability to put teams away are why we are even in this situation. We've finished out the year very poorly.

You don’t get bonus points for winning early or late in the season

8-8 is 8-8

 

[RolandDeschain]

Will be interesting to monitor officiating next week.

Just sayin’

The only way it won't very obviously favor Green Bay is if the Packers jump out to a big lead quickly, so the game is never in doubt and the officials don't have to step in.

 

[Spin Doctor]

You don’t get bonus points for winning early or late in the season

8-8 is 8-8

except that one team controls their destiny and the other doesn't, you know how that happened? The Seahawks not taking care of business in the first place. Honestly both teams don't deserve to be in the playoffs at this point. It's just that one team has been taking care of business lately and the other hasn't. Green bay controls their destiny, we don't, end of story. This is what happens when you have to resort to rooting for a team to lose to get into the playoffs.

How did this happen? Piss poor performance by the Seahawks. Of course if GB makes it in people are going to spin it as the NFL conspiring against the Seahawks, but at the end of the day if the Seahawks fail to make the playoffs it was our own damn fault. We allowed this to happen by dropping easy games and going on a giant loss streak.

 

[Hawkpower]

except that one team controls their destiny and the other doesn't, you know how that happened? The Seahawks not taking care of business in the first place. Honestly both teams don't deserve to be in the playoffs at this point. It's just that one team has been taking care of business lately and the other hasn't. Green bay controls their destiny, we don't, end of story. This is what happens when you have to resort to rooting for a team to lose to get into the playoffs.

How did this happen? Piss poor performance by the Seahawks. Of course if GB makes it in people are going to spin it as the NFL conspiring against the Seahawks, but at the end of the day if the Seahawks fail to make the playoffs it was our own damn fault. We allowed this to happen by dropping easy games and going on a giant loss streak.

Of course it’s the Seahawks fault

But you can also say it’s Green Bay’s fault if they don’t get in because they pissed away games early in the year.

Neither team gets a gold star. They hold a random tie breaker, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[flv2]

Most of what you are saying is accurate but saying SNF flex rules take precedent is wrong. Week 18 has no teams scheduled at any given time. The schedules for all week 18 games are announced 6 days before the game is played. Any team can be out into any time slot. The reasons for this are to not give any team an advantage and to make for the most competitive schedule for tv and advertising revenues almost all the games are scheduled to be concurrent with the other games that matter to their playoff hopes or positioning. Green Bay is the glaring exception.

With that said, after what happened during MNF tonight I find this to be much less important.

As I said in this post:

https://www.seahawks.net/threads/nfl-scheduling-idiots-week-18.185458/post-2740402

...there were only 2 games that would ensure that SNF had playoff implications. I'd be ok with ending SNF in the final week, (as has happened to MNF), but at this point tv are naturally going to want which ever game will draw the highest ratings.

There are 2 final week Saturday games this season. If there hadn't been a SNF game and if other playoff spots weren't on the line tv might have chosen the Seahawks for 1 of the Saturday slots.

 

[renofox]

except that one team controls their destiny and the other doesn't, you know how that happened? The Seahawks not taking care of business in the first place. Honestly both teams don't deserve to be in the playoffs at this point. It's just that one team has been taking care of business lately and the other hasn't. Green bay controls their destiny, we don't, end of story. This is what happens when you have to resort to rooting for a team to lose to get into the playoffs.

How did this happen? Piss poor performance by the Seahawks. Of course if GB makes it in people are going to spin it as the NFL conspiring against the Seahawks, but at the end of the day if the Seahawks fail to make the playoffs it was our own damn fault. We allowed this to happen by dropping easy games and going on a giant loss streak.

Agreed. But remember, the reason GB has the tiebreaker is because they have the better Conference record.

Seahawks went 0-4 against the NFC South. If they could have gone 2-2 against the worst division in football, Seahawks would have the tiebreaker.

 

[kidhawk]

As I said in this post:

https://www.seahawks.net/threads/nfl-scheduling-idiots-week-18.185458/post-2740402

...there were only 2 games that would ensure that SNF had playoff implications. I'd be ok with ending SNF in the final week, (as has happened to MNF), but at this point tv are naturally going to want the most impactful game.

There are 2 final week Saturday games this season. If there hadn't been a SNF game and if other playoff spots weren't on the line tv might have chosen the Seahawks for 1 of the Saturday slots.

I read that when you posted it. Thing is there is no reason the Kags Titans didn’t go to SNF and some less important game is played Saturday.

When the NFL started leaving the final weeks games without start times, they said it was so they could have teams playing in the same time slot when the outcome of each game affected the others’ playoff hopes or seeding. If they had no option besides Green Bay then it would be understandable but there is really no consequence to playing Jags Titans Sunday night and Packers and Seahawks at the same time earlier Sunday.

It’s piss poor scheduling and has nothing to do with whether anyone believes we deserve the playoffs or prefer the draft position. It’s about making the best schedule for all involved and this isn’t it

 

[flv2]

Yes, and the fact that they ARENT taking place at the same time (despite the NFL’s insistence that it does so to maintain competitive fairness) is what’s angering hawk fans.

And justifiably so

The Packers game decides the #7 seed. If the Seahawks game decided the #7 seed then the Packers game wouldn't be on SNF. Competitive fairness is nice but business is business.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Of course it’s the Seahawks fault

But you can also say it’s Green Bay’s fault if they don’t get in because they pissed away games early in the year.

Neither team gets a gold star. They hold a random tie breaker, nothing more, nothing less.

Except one as another poster said didn't go 0-4 against the NFL South. We have a worse conference record than the GB Packers and that is why we're in this position. Once again, the Seahawks created this situation themselves. Blame the NFL all you want, but this is 100 percent the Seahawks fault.

The Green Bay Packers are just in a better position to make things happen right now because they took care of business against the NFC. We went 0-4 against one of the worst divisions in football. We have nobody to blame but ourselves.

 

[chrispy]

The week 18 rules exist to maximize viewership and ad revenue, not for fairness to teams and fanbases. Fact is that Packers games get more ad revenue in Primetime. The argument here is that Goddell would favor fairness for the Seahawks playoff hopes over profit. No hope of winning that argument.

 

[Hawkpower]

The week 18 rules exist to maximize viewership and ad revenue, not for fairness to teams and fanbases. Fact is that Packers games get more ad revenue in Primetime. The argument here is that Goddell would favor fairness for the Seahawks playoff hopes over profit. No hope of winning that argument.

we know the NFL maximizes profit but creating purposeful disadvantages 6 days before crucial games is BS especially when they claim to do just the opposite

 

[Hawkpower]

Except one as another poster said didn't go 0-4 against the NFL South. We have a worse conference record than the GB Packers and that is why we're in this position. Once again, the Seahawks created this situation themselves. Blame the NFL all you want, but this is 100 percent the Seahawks fault.

The Green Bay Packers are just in a better position to make things happen right now because they took care of business against the NFC. We went 0-4 against one of the worst divisions in football. We have nobody to blame but ourselves.

Three things can be true Spin:

The Seahawks put themselves in a less than desirable position

The Packers also put themselves in a less than desirable position

The NFL changed protocol from what they claimed was their motivator (week 18 fairness) and it hurts the Seahawks chances while benefiting Green Bay

All three of those statements are true…at the same time….and can’t be argued

You think #1 makes 2 and 3 go away.

Hard disagree haha

Take care

 

[flv2]

I read that when you posted it. Thing is there is no reason the Kags Titans didn’t go to SNF and some less important game is played Saturday.

When the NFL started leaving the final weeks games without start times, they said it was so they could have teams playing in the same time slot when the outcome of each game affected the others’ playoff hopes or seeding. If they had no option besides Green Bay then it would be understandable but there is really no consequence to playing Jags Titans Sunday night and Packers and Seahawks at the same time earlier Sunday.

It’s piss poor scheduling and has nothing to do with whether anyone believes we deserve the playoffs or prefer the draft position. It’s about making the best schedule for all involved and this isn’t it

If money didn't matter I would 100% agree with having the AFC South title game on SNF. Unfortunately money does matter to the NFL and higher ratings mean more money. The NFL schedule caters to the East Coast rather than West Coast because money matters. If money didn't matter St. Louis would have a football team. Life isn't fair.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Three things can be true Spin:

The Seahawks put themselves in a less than desirable position

The Packers also put themselves in a less than desirable position

The NFL changed protocol from what they claimed was their motivator (week 18 fairness) and it hurts the Seahawks chances while benefiting Green Bay

All three of those statements are true…at the same time….and can’t be argued

You think #1 makes 2 and 3 go away.

Hard disagree haha

Take care

The difference is the Packers have a better conference record than the Seahawks. The Packers are in control of their destiny, we're not. This happened because we didn't take care of business against the NFL South. The Packers also had a tougher go as far as NFC games go. Once again, this is OUR fault, we can't blame anyone but ourselves for this predicament. We win one of those NFC South games and this entire discussion is irrelevant. That didn't happen now, did it? This team does not deserve to go to the playoffs.

 

[Spin Doctor]

If money didn't matter I would 100% agree with having the AFC South title game on SNF. Unfortunately money does matter to the NFL and higher ratings mean more money. The NFL schedule caters to the East Coast rather than West Coast because money matters. If money didn't matter St. Louis would have a football team. Life isn't fair.

Well, technically the Rams were originally from LA. It's also worth noting that a great deal more of the population lives on the East Coast of the United States, plus there is much great population density. There are far fewer bigger cities on the West Coast, hence the travel was always going to be uneven. It is what it is.

 

[renofox]

The week 18 rules exist to maximize viewership and ad revenue, not for fairness to teams and fanbases. Fact is that Packers games get more ad revenue in Primetime. The argument here is that Goddell would favor fairness for the Seahawks playoff hopes over profit. No hope of winning that argument.

Well then maybe Goodell should not have lied through his teeth when stating the NFL was changing the way final week games were scheduled to ensure fairness and a level playing field?