Time to give Ben Burr-Kirven a shot???
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IndyHawk
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That guy from Carolina..Who just retired wasn't bigger than BBK
I don't want to hear about size when RW gets defended despite
being short.
I'm of the camp that says until he gets a shot in game not just
garbage minutes then you can't judge anything.
There are players who shine in practice but at game time(nothing)
There are others who don't show much in practice but come alive
in the game.
The other thing maybe he is just in the wrong system for him.
I don't know but I'd like to see him have his fair shot so we can
see what we have.
I don't want to hear about size when RW gets defended despite
being short.
I'm of the camp that says until he gets a shot in game not just
garbage minutes then you can't judge anything.
There are players who shine in practice but at game time(nothing)
There are others who don't show much in practice but come alive
in the game.
The other thing maybe he is just in the wrong system for him.
I don't know but I'd like to see him have his fair shot so we can
see what we have.
Any examples come to mind of this actually happening in the NFL?IndyHawk":3vrfnkih said:
Imagine if DK looked bad in practice and was constantly running bad routes. What would be the chances that he would suddenly run great routes just because it happened to be Sunday? Or imagine Pocic being able to make the right protection calls in a game, but flubbing everything up in practice. Conversely, the things that make Russ great on gamedays also make him great in practice.
The only time I see people seriously suggesting that practice doesn't translate to gamedays is when fans are arguing about playing a backup more and need a reason to dismiss the mountain of evidence that comes out of practice that they don't have access to.
That's just an example of what I'm talking about. Fans don't like a player's performance, and so they reach for anything they can to avoid the logical conclusion that the entire position is a weak area.Smellyman":2wubbzpe said:
Or do you actually know something about how did Thompson did in practice vs. his backups that you aren't including? Remember that Thompson last played for us in week 8 2019, and we traded for Diggs in week 10.
AgentDib":8d6ixqnk said:
Brock has talked about it a lot how he was a great practice player.
https://twitter.com/drlewisbookit/statu ... 5972107264
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2019/1/31/18 ... ree-safety
Do I know something? never seen a practice. Only know what has been stated.
chris98251
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Some people are just good in practice, and then find another level when a game is on the line, others are great in practice maybe because of comfort but tighten up in the game moment for some reason, coaches hate the game day guys they make everything they say about practice look hypocritical.
We've had plenty of people do good things in practice over the years. The argument that I believe is being made is that coaches play the wrong guys based on practices, and I don't see how Tedric supports that. Who was actually better than him on the roster in week 8 of 2019?Smellyman":3t5aw35i said:
We saw both Hill and Amadi later on, and they had fans asking the same questions about them. We then traded for Diggs after Thompson went out, traded for Adams this off-season and even moved Blair to a different position. Looking back on it, wouldn't you agree the safety problems of early 2019 were a lack of talent at the position, rather than the coaches picking the wrong guy based on practice?
On the other hand, coaches hype up players all the time who are not very good. I will wager that much of the "buzz" around Tedric's practices were initiated by the coaching staff and if there is a cautionary tale here then it's about buying too much into coach-speak when their job isn't to give us an accurate picture of the roster.
That's the fan argument for why the guy they are supporting isn't getting playing time, but consider how few practices we actually get to see, and more importantly how the guys that people have made this argument about over the years have fared.chris98251":3t5aw35i said:
There's a very long list of players that people have argued here deserved a bigger shot than what the coaches thought based on practice. Off the top of my head; Kasen Williams, Jazz Ferguson, Terry Wright, Phil Haynes, Cassius Marsh, and JD McKissic over just the last year and a half or so. We could probably come up with 5-6 guys in every season since 1977 and the fans were wrong in every case I can think of.
Occasionally a player that we cut will leave here to go onto better things elsewhere, but like Michael Bennett that has more to do with system and development over time then that the FO just couldn't tell enough about them from practices.
Grahamhawker
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This is a side topic sort of, but if there is a coaching "misdiagnosis" at work here, it probably relates to putting too much faith in developing later draft picks that never seem to develop. I get everyone's not an all pro, but if you're forced to consistently start Barton or Thompson (et al) you have either been racked by injuries (which has happened) and/or you may need to reevaluate your draft and development strategies.
