TwistedHusky wrote:The entire issue with Pete hinges on expectations, which really should be another thread. His strengths build these amazing teams and then his weaknesses hold them back.
At the start of the year, SI had this roster ranked #7-8. We then had some injuries, but offset them with some trades. The addition of Carlos, Reed, Neal and the blossoming of our LB rookie should kick us into 5-7 just from that ranking. I don't want to post the multiple #5-7 rankings for this roster because then it becomes a 'well that source is not valid' or 'I don't trust those rankings argument' that turns into an insane circle.
Nice cop-out. So you don't want to provide proof that your claim is correct and that the Seahawks roster ranking is what you claim (even though your whole argument is based on your roster ranking claim) because you don't want to argue over the source???? Give me a break. We can disagree on how the source rated the rosters, but that is not what we are discussing. Post the SI ratings you claim exist. ESPN? Any source?? My Google Fu must be lacking. I can not find any pre-season or mid-season roster ranking from SI. The only pertinent article I can find is gushing over the Raven's roster.
But even though there are literally hundreds of roster rankings for the Seahawks (due to fantasy football, media, and betting)...let's use the ranking Nunya trusts, which was #15.
Because I doubt anyone would rank this roster below 10 now. That is clearly a function of Pete+JS.
So, no proof...just your own doubts. Got it.
Pass rushing was a weakness. Pete+JS fixed it. Now it is a strength. Corner was a weakness. Now it is at least solid.
The point I was making is that Pete underperforms a #5 roster once he builds it BUT HE DOES BUILD IT. It is still not surprising that he took a #10-15 roster and turned it into a #5-7. But without him, this would be #12-15, not #5. (Yes Nunyua, All coaches improve rosters to some extent. No other coach does it nearly as well in season. Not even close.)
Still have not proven the roster was rated at #10-#15 (just the proof I provided showing ranked at #15). Still no proof it is now ranked #5-7.
The problems with Pete are well documented. And it holds the team back. But we are not fixing them. And those problems that hold the team back are offset by specific strengths in team-building/program building that improve the team to set those expectations so high in the first place.
Please provide this "well documented" evidence. So far, all we have is your word....which does not cut it.
Now, when we hit the playoffs - Pete tends to then perform like a #15 roster not a #5. I never said that conference championships should be the measuring stick. But certainly, in my opinion, with an elite QB you SHOULD at least win a single division playoff game in 5 years. We haven't. To offset, Pete avoids the curse that high costs of elite QBs create - missing playoff games.
Still haven't proved it is a #5 roster. But even so, wouldn't one expect the ranked #1-4 roster to make it to the Conference games and and a #5 ranked roster to lose in the Divisional round? That is....if roster ranking meant a damn thing. Sounds to me like you demand that PC over-achieve.
Even so, the idea of setting expectations based on arbitrary roster ranking has got to be the dumbest idea I have ever heard.
So knowing Pete is likely not going to win divisional playoff games and for the most part, won't succeed in the playoffs (due to issues already covered ad nauseum), is looking great in the regular season enough for you?
So, based on YOUR logic, if a coach has not recently taken a team to the Conference game, chances are that they will not ever do it???? It is a damn good thing that Andy Reed was never privy to your jewel of wisdom. Before 2018 he hadn't made it to a Conference game in 10 years and had never been in the SB in his 20 years of coaching. I'm surprised he is still coaching based on your logic. He should have given up years ago....especially with his lousy .461 playoff win percentage prior to his SB run.
IF not, you are betting Wilson could be better under another coach. No certainty after what this year showed, but certainly a possibility given the advantages great QBs get in the playoffs.
Sure, Wilson could be better under a different offensive scheme....or he could be worse.....or he could still be the same. That is something RW will need to decide. There is nothing to indicate that RW is not happy with PC or Seattle and any claim that he is is nothing more than speculation.
If you fire Pete, you have to be prepared to take a dip in roster quality for the potential chance that your elite QB could be unleashed with better gameday coaching, better offense, and likely a better defense (still not sold on Norton). Because the high floor/low ceiling approach Pete takes GENERALLY WORKS IN THE REGULAR SEASON AND FAILS IN THE PLAYOFFS.* (At least without the LOB it does.)
This has got to be the largest pile of bulvine excrement I have seen posted in a while.
* It should be noted that we did change. In our last game, we built on the lead - we did not just sit on it. That is somewhat new. (Hopefully not an outlier) The tendency not to put our foot on the gas until we feel we need it is a huge reason we tend to get blown out and embarrassed by halftime the moment we enter a division playoff game since our SB loss.
Or it could be that we are playing other Professional football teams that are doing everything they can to prevent us from putting our foot on the gas. Just because a teams wants to do something, that does not mean they will be successful.