Are the Patriots Still Cheaters?

[OneLofaTatupu]

Wooh. Posts like this create responses that get threads put in the shack. That is bold to post this ish on a Seahawks board. Nobody here is jealous of The Grinch and the NFL Poster Boy. Your team barely beat a injury riddled team with a WR core of all undrafted players. Your post reveals you as a troll. Have fun under your bridge.

I agree, this is a bogus thread and belongs in the Shack. If this were an objective thread, the OP's original point would have been discussed and looked at with some basic common sense. Instead of talk about tuck rule and constant cheating (they were never penalized for "spying", they misplaced a camera). Unfortunately, due to the recent SB, few Seahawks fans are able to look at this topic objectively. Speaking of the SB, there was nothing injury riddled about the last series of the game except for Hightower, who probably made the unsung play of the game. Football players play through injuries all the time it is part of the game and it is tough when it affects your team but all teams have to deal with it. I personally really enjoy the Seahawks and go to a game every year and would have been OK (well, maybe at least not mad) with the Seahawks pulling out the victory in the end (maybe minus the Kearse circus catch) and I would have been here offering congratulations because it was a great football game and well played on both sides.

Professionals misplacing a camera sounds like a terrible porn.

 

[NWPatsFan]

Professionals misplacing a camera sounds like a terrible porn.

Remember, Roger was just getting started and he needed to show he was "tough", by penalizing one of the top teams and show he wasn't a pushover. There has never been a rule against stealing other team's signals, it was an issue with the placement of the camera. The new commish over-reacted and created a controversy that was not a big deal. The Patriots never lied or denied it because it was a fairly common practice and the NFL even said the film was never used during any games to gain an advantage. Not to mention the year they were forced to stop filming was the year they went perfect in the regular season.
So yes, I agree with you "sounds like a terrible porn".

 

[SoCalSeahawk]

Professionals misplacing a camera sounds like a terrible porn.

Remember, Roger was just getting started and he needed to show he was "tough", by penalizing one of the top teams and show he wasn't a pushover. There has never been a rule against stealing other team's signals, it was an issue with the placement of the camera. The new commish over-reacted and created a controversy that was not a big deal. The Patriots never lied or denied it because it was a fairly common practice and the NFL even said the film was never used during any games to gain an advantage. Not to mention the year they were forced to stop filming was the year they went perfect in the regular season.
So yes, I agree with you "sounds like a terrible porn".

Overreacted? The Patriots were caught cheating and specifically told to stop. Instead of complying they continued to cheat and only then were they punished. The only thing common about these practices is that it's the Patriots who cheat until they get caught. But even after Spy Gate I think most NFL fans had forgiven or forgotten. But now they're caught again with Deflate Gate and it seems only right that they are punished hardily. Draft picks, fines and year long suspensions would be a start. They are screwing with the integrity of the game and that is as selfish and arrogant as it gets.

Brady and the offense were able to play with what amounts to a smaller, easier to grip ball while their opponents played with a football designed for the men's league. This led to fewer turnovers and probably more receptions. Even if it only changed one play per game, we all know that's enough to be the difference between a victory and a loss. If the outcome of only was game was effected then that changes the entire landscape of who makes the playoffs and playoff seeding.

I would be in complete denial as well if this was all coming down on the Seahawks. I understand why Patriot's fans are unable to see what is so crystal clear to everyone else.

 

[NWPatsFan]

Professionals misplacing a camera sounds like a terrible porn.

Remember, Roger was just getting started and he needed to show he was "tough", by penalizing one of the top teams and show he wasn't a pushover. There has never been a rule against stealing other team's signals, it was an issue with the placement of the camera. The new commish over-reacted and created a controversy that was not a big deal. The Patriots never lied or denied it because it was a fairly common practice and the NFL even said the film was never used during any games to gain an advantage. Not to mention the year they were forced to stop filming was the year they went perfect in the regular season.
So yes, I agree with you "sounds like a terrible porn".

Overreacted? The Patriots were caught cheating and specifically told to stop. Instead of complying they continued to cheat and only then were they punished. The only thing common about these practices is that it's the Patriots who cheat until they get caught. But even after Spy Gate I think most NFL fans had forgiven or forgotten. But now they're caught again with Deflate Gate and it seems only right that they are punished hardily. Draft picks, fines and year long suspensions would be a start. They are screwing with the integrity of the game and that is as selfish and arrogant as it gets.

Brady and the offense were able to play with what amounts to a smaller, easier to grip ball while their opponents played with a football designed for the men's league. This led to fewer turnovers and probably more receptions. Even if it only changed one play per game, we all know that's enough to be the difference between a victory and a loss. If the outcome of only was game was effected then that changes the entire landscape of who makes the playoffs and playoff seeding.

I would be in complete denial as well if this was all coming down on the Seahawks. I understand why Patriot's fans are unable to see what is so crystal clear to everyone else.

I am obviously not going to change your mind, but I can assure you that I have spent way more time researching this issue than you have and it is not that hard to see that this is a witch hunt and nothing should come of it. But, I understand why people want to hate on the greatest dynasty to ever exist in the NFL (especially considering it has been done during the salry cap era). It is the same reason why I hated the Yankees all those years growing up, they were the best. You all will just have to deal with this until some franchise can better them year in and year out.

 

[Uncle Si]

The Patriots hadn't won a Super Bowl in nearly 10 years... but are the best and everyone was out to get them?

FFS... this kid. Up until the last 3 weeks of the season most assumed this was Brady's curtain call.

You're full of shit. Which is fine. But quit trying to convince us otherwise. Or start a thread in the shack and quit pretending your doing anything more than trying to pump yourself up

 

[NWPatsFan]

The Patriots hadn't won a Super Bowl in nearly 10 years... but are the best and everyone was out to get them?

FFS... this kid. Up until the last 3 weeks of the season most assumed this was Brady's curtain call.

You're full of shit. Which is fine. But quit trying to convince us otherwise. Or start a thread in the shack and quit pretending your doing anything more than trying to pump yourself up

Name a better franchise during the salary cap era and I will concede the point.

 

[Uncle Si]

The Patriots hadn't won a Super Bowl in nearly 10 years... but are the best and everyone was out to get them?

FFS... this kid. Up until the last 3 weeks of the season most assumed this was Brady's curtain call.

You're full of shit. Which is fine. But quit trying to convince us otherwise. Or start a thread in the shack and quit pretending your doing anything more than trying to pump yourself up

Name a better franchise during the salary cap era and I will concede the point.

Whats your point? The Patriots are some dynasty (that lost two Super Bowls, how many did Montana lose?) that we are all desperately jealous of and so have conspired this "witch hunt" to derail?

Good god kid. Climb out of your basement

 

[NWPatsFan]

The Patriots hadn't won a Super Bowl in nearly 10 years... but are the best and everyone was out to get them?

FFS... this kid. Up until the last 3 weeks of the season most assumed this was Brady's curtain call.

You're full of shit. Which is fine. But quit trying to convince us otherwise. Or start a thread in the shack and quit pretending your doing anything more than trying to pump yourself up

Name a better franchise during the salary cap era and I will concede the point.

Whats your point? The Patriots are some dynasty (that lost two Super Bowls, how many did Montana lose?) that we are all desperately jealous of and so have conspired this "witch hunt" to derail?

Good god kid. Climb out of your basement

My point is that the main reason teams and fans of others teams nitpick the tiniest of infractions that the Patriots get accused of, while ignoring (or at least downplaying) other teams infractions, is because they have been the best franchise during the salary cap era. That in a nutshell is why I have been posting in this thread.

Montana only made it to 4. Brady has made it to 6 and has won just as many as Joe. Not to mention that it was before the salary cap.

 

[Uncle Si]

So you are posting in this thread to deflect accusations your team cheated by saying its jealousy while ignoring that this is a story because it happened right before the Super Bowl and the Patriots have made it worse by being shady. If this was week 6 it would be over.

The real reason you are here is to remind yourself (because I doubt anyone here cares) that you think the Patriots are just the bees knees.

Good for you.

(3 f---ing feet and this kid is on the Giants board trying to convince them Brady is better than Eli. God damnit)

 

[NWPatsFan]

So you are posting in this thread to deflect accusations your team cheated by saying its jealousy while ignoring that this is a story because it happened right before the Super Bowl and the Patriots have made it worse by being shady. If this was week 6 it would be over.

The real reason you are here is to remind yourself (because I doubt anyone here cares) that you think the Patriots are just the bees knees.

Good for you.

(3 f---ing feet and this kid is on the Giants board trying to convince them Brady is better than Eli. God damnit)

You are a funny guy.

Why are you reading a thread about the Patriots. It seems that you are the one trying to feel better about your "3 f---king feet", I am just responding to the thread and offering my opinion. Every time I respond to you and give you an answer you act like I offended you. Believe me I understand how it feels to have your team lose to a team in the SB in the closing seconds (twice), I didn't even come here to talk about the SB. I really like the Seahawks and wish them the best (except against the Patriots). Anyway, if you want to learn why the Deflategate issue is overblown you should visit Patsfans.com and read through the sub-forum there. We will just have to disagree.

 

[Uncle Si]

So you are posting in this thread to deflect accusations your team cheated by saying its jealousy while ignoring that this is a story because it happened right before the Super Bowl and the Patriots have made it worse by being shady. If this was week 6 it would be over.

The real reason you are here is to remind yourself (because I doubt anyone here cares) that you think the Patriots are just the bees knees.

Good for you.

(3 f---ing feet and this kid is on the Giants board trying to convince them Brady is better than Eli. God damnit)

You are a funny guy.

Why are you reading a thread about the Patriots. It seems that you are the one trying to feel better about your "3 f---king feet", I am just responding to the thread and offering my opinion. Every time I respond to you and give you an answer you act like I offended you. Believe me I understand how it feels to have your team lose to a team in the SB in the closing seconds (twice), I didn't even come here to talk about the SB. I really like the Seahawks and wish them the best (except against the Patriots). Anyway, if you want to learn why the Deflategate issue is overblown you should visit Patsfans.com and read through the sub-forum there. We will just have to disagree.

I feel fine about my team. Back to back Super Bowls. If you really are from the Northwest you would know how cool that is. And see, I would not go to another team's board to discuss their issues.

The opinion you offer really just devolves into "everyone is jealous of our greatness so are after us". Which is nonsense.

 

[vonstout]

You will find out this year that your team has been cheating for years when their turnovers go back to pre-2007 levels. When that happens, it will taint every win over that time span.

 

[SmokinHawk]

The cheater label is one this era's Pats team will have to deal with for an eternity, whether it's earned or not.

 

[NWPatsFan]

The cheater label is one this era's Pats team will have to deal with for an eternity, whether it's earned or not.

It is unfortunate that people are so petty that they can't just acknowledge the great run that the Patriots are on and honor it instead of try to diminish it with silly things like Deflategate and Misplaced Cameragate (AKA Spygate). Just as it isn't fair that people try to diminish the Seahawks accomplishments with talk of Aderall. It seems to be driven by jealousy or if not that maybe something like "My team was better and yet a 6th round QB beat my team so they must be cheating" . People always want to take the upper echelon down a notch, if the Hawks can continue their dominance they will see more of this type of b.s. It is a shame but it is better than being irrelevant like say the Raiders.

 

[NWPatsFan]

You will find out this year that your team has been cheating for years when their turnovers go back to pre-2007 levels. When that happens, it will taint every win over that time span.

Trust me if the Pats turnovers don't go back to pre-2007 levels, people like you will find some other way that the Patriots "cheated". Meanwhile, Aaron Rodgers can publicly state that he tries (and sometimes succeeds) to sneak balls by the officials that are over-inflated...where is the outrage?

 

[vonstout]

"People like you" seem to think the Pats coached out the fumbling yet have no explanation for guys like the law firm having ZERO fumbles in 4 years with NE and 5 in two years with Cincy. Or your boy Tom having 78 picks and 59fumbles in 6 seasons pre 2007 and 65 picks/36fumbles in 7 years after the rule change. Or Amendola putting the ball on the ground 10 times in 4 years in StL and ZERO in 2 years with NE.

Did Green Ellis forget everything he learned in NE when he left? Brady was sacked a couple more times in the 7 years post 2007 than he was his first 6 seasons, so you can't use that as a reason for his unbelievable improvement in holding on to the ball. How do you explain these examples?

 

[jammerhawk]

NWPatsFan are you always as quick to brag on a team that won it's last SB by 1 yd? Shouldn't you just be saying good close game I was worried right until the INT?

Congrats!

I've always believed that if you have to cheat to win you didn't really win the same game as you were supposed to be playing. Historically the Pats have been 'involved' in more situations that were dubious as far as an even playing field. If it makes you fell good to come to our website and brag on a team that more than likely cheated again if you apply science and logic to the inquiry then fill you boots. The Hawks gave the W to your team by calling a risky play when your team was vulnerable to the run. The best ever? Doubtful when as many clouds overhang their various successes. A good team? Absolutely!

 

[NWPatsFan]

NWPatsFan are you always as quick to brag on a team that won it's last SB by 1 yd? Shouldn't you just be saying good close game I was worried right until the INT?

Congrats!

I've always believed that if you have to cheat to win you didn't really win the same game as you were supposed to be playing. Historically the Pats have been 'involved' in more situations that were dubious as far as an even playing field. If it makes you fell good to come to our website and brag on a team that more than likely cheated again if you apply science and logic to the inquiry then fill you boots. The Hawks gave the W to your team by calling a risky play when your team was vulnerable to the run. The best ever? Doubtful when as many clouds overhang their various successes. A good team? Absolutely!

I wasn't bragging just stating the facts. There has never been a better run of success in the NFL during the salary cap era and they are in the discussion for the best regardless of the era.

All this talk about clouds overhanging and such is b.s. The only violation is a misplacement of a camera, it was legal to use the camera but not in the location they used it. The new commish over-reacted to a "onerous" coach (i.e. easy to dislike if he doesn't coach the team you root for) and showed everyone who the boss is. Also, this deflategate stuff is so ridiculous it is not even worth debating. Any kid who grew up in cold weather climate can tell you what happens to a ball when it gets left out overnight...it loses pressure. That the media and the NFL don't already know that is probably because they have never cared. Ya know why? Cause 2 psi barely makes a difference in the feel of a football. Try it sometime, you can barely tell the two apart if you handle them independently.

The NFL actually did something they don't normally do (it quite possibly has never been done), they not only tested the pressure of the balls at halftime of the AFCCG, but they didn't even inform the Patriots that they changes the PSI of their footballs until the next day. That is ridiculous...fortunately it didn't hurt the Pats at all they ended up outscoring the Colts 28-0 in the second half (and no fumbles, from what the critics say...that is not possible). Come on people the Patriots were the best team in the NFL this year. By a yard or 50 points, it doesn't matter. Just like when the Pats were "supposed" to go undefeated in 2007, the only thing that matters is which team is handed the Lombardi.

I feel for Seahawks fans, some of my best friends are Seahawks fans. I wish the Patriots had won against a different team, especially the way it happened. I don't think what Malcolm Butler did was anything short of amazing, Seattle hardly gave it to the Patriots. It was a risky call, but so wasn't the end of the first half TD. The game was exciting and fairly evenly matched, neither team deserved to lose, but one team always does and on that day it was Seattle's turn. It makes the winning that much more appreciated.

 

[hawksurething]

Yes the are still cheaters. Brady said out of his own mouth that he likes when gronk spikes the ball too hard since it deflates them and he loves throwing deflated balls. In a interview in 2011.

This was all over the news. people forget so quick.

But not me I stay grounded in reality like batman,black panther,& captain america. Lol. Best comic hero's to teach this.

In real life it would be Mohammad Ali.

You can fool some of the people most of the time,but you can't fool all of us.

Spygate nfl destroyed the records that congress requested,etc...

No wonder so many bad people in the NFL,Goodall is a horrible role model.

Never stay tricked!

 

[Zebulon Dak]

Never stay tricked!

Anthem.