Hawkpower
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To give context, Sean Payton is 3-4 in the playoffs since 2013.
Wait, so your line is after we last made a SB we lost not last we won? Is just making the SB the goal or is winning one? Because it sounds like you're drawing an arbitrary line that suits this narrative.Spin Doctor":2zqcn4h5 said:We're below .500 since the 2015 season and our last Super Bowl run.pinksheets":2zqcn4h5 said:I believe we're .500 in the playoffs since winning the SB, which is quite good.
We should have lost in Minnesota, and we lost in 2018 against the Cowboys, not a single win that season. Pete does not have what it takes to get us to another Super Bowl. What concerns me is not that we're losing, it is HOW we're losing. We keep making the same mistakes each loss, we keep losing the same way and not adjusting. I highly doubt Pete ever brings us another Super Bowl again, and I doubt he even gets us an NFC Championship game.pinksheets":6t76ku71 said:Wait, so your line is after we last made a SB we lost not last we won? Is just making the SB the goal or is winning one? Because it sounds like you're drawing an arbitrary line that suits this narrative.Spin Doctor":6t76ku71 said:We're below .500 since the 2015 season and our last Super Bowl run.pinksheets":6t76ku71 said:I believe we're .500 in the playoffs since winning the SB, which is quite good.
It's extremely difficult to make the playoffs a lot and also have a strong winning record in the playoffs because unless you win the SB, you're taking a loss.
Pete has still won a playoff game in each of their last 4 appearances. That's quite good, period. There's not someone who just constantly gets to Conference Championships out waiting in the wings because that's either Belichik or they don't exist.
Spin Doctor":3p72xtl9 said:We should have lost in Minnesota, and we lost in 2018 against the Cowboys, not a single win that season. Pete does not have what it takes to get us to another Super Bowl. What concerns me is not that we're losing, it is HOW we're losing. We keep making the same mistakes each loss, we keep losing the same way and not adjusting. I highly doubt Pete ever brings us another Super Bowl again, and I doubt he even gets us an NFC Championship game.pinksheets":3p72xtl9 said:Wait, so your line is after we last made a SB we lost not last we won? Is just making the SB the goal or is winning one? Because it sounds like you're drawing an arbitrary line that suits this narrative.Spin Doctor":3p72xtl9 said:We're below .500 since the 2015 season and our last Super Bowl run.pinksheets":3p72xtl9 said:I believe we're .500 in the playoffs since winning the SB, which is quite good.
It's extremely difficult to make the playoffs a lot and also have a strong winning record in the playoffs because unless you win the SB, you're taking a loss.
Pete has still won a playoff game in each of their last 4 appearances. That's quite good, period. There's not someone who just constantly gets to Conference Championships out waiting in the wings because that's either Belichik or they don't exist.
Should be coaches who made it at least 4 of 5 years to be fair, too.Hawkpower":n3836cue said:Spin Doctor":n3836cue said:We should have lost in Minnesota, and we lost in 2018 against the Cowboys, not a single win that season. Pete does not have what it takes to get us to another Super Bowl. What concerns me is not that we're losing, it is HOW we're losing. We keep making the same mistakes each loss, we keep losing the same way and not adjusting. I highly doubt Pete ever brings us another Super Bowl again, and I doubt he even gets us an NFC Championship game.pinksheets":n3836cue said:Wait, so your line is after we last made a SB we lost not last we won? Is just making the SB the goal or is winning one? Because it sounds like you're drawing an arbitrary line that suits this narrative.Spin Doctor":n3836cue said:We're below .500 since the 2015 season and our last Super Bowl run.
It's extremely difficult to make the playoffs a lot and also have a strong winning record in the playoffs because unless you win the SB, you're taking a loss.
Pete has still won a playoff game in each of their last 4 appearances. That's quite good, period. There's not someone who just constantly gets to Conference Championships out waiting in the wings because that's either Belichik or they don't exist.
Just to humor us, could you provide the list of coaches in the last few years that have a playoff record well over .500?
I'm struggling to come up with a long list....since you seem to think Pete losing games in the playoffs is an anomaly.
Thanks
Hockey Guy":10uopsg7 said:Just for context, Bill Belichick was 9-8 in the playoffs in the 9 seasons between their 3rd & 4th SB titles.
This just illustrates the fact that winning in the NFL playoffs is really, really easy.
pmedic920":3w5cct5d said:
You do realize that this roster you speak of would go away right along with Pete if got canned right? You'd have 1 year maybe intact and from then on you no longer have the thing that draws a lot of the players to this roster right?Spin Doctor":1j8micgc said:Pete is a great regular season coach. With Pete I feel like he makes worse teams play above their potential, and he makes good teams play below what they are truly capable of. He's a motivator and honestly he's created a great culture in Seattle.
My issue with Pete is he is dogmatic. He's ridgid in his approach, not only does he want to win, but he wants to win his way. We'll be doing things that work, specifically on offense and inexplicably go away from it. Game plans are often times lacking and in game coaching decisions often leave me befuddled, especially when it comes to clock management.
This is okay in the regular season, but in the playoffs it has bitten us very badly. We've under performed there for quite some time. Since our Super Bowl run we've lost more than we've won in the playoffs. What concerns me is we've lost the same way, each and every time. We've really dropped the ball there and turned what should have been wins into losses. We haven't learned from our losses in the post season thus far.
Maybe this year will be different, I don't know. I'm suspecting it won't be though -- especially with Wilson being off his game. I'm a bit of a different breed, I'm willing to have a potential nonce as head coach and go through losing seasons for the potential of a Super Bowl. I feel like we have the roster to accomplish a Super Bowl run, but I don't think Carroll is the guy to get us there. I think we need a fresh prospective and sometimes that is all a roster needs in order to get a Super Bowl and push a team over the top. Things could always be worse, but I feel like we've been caught in a circular loop that I don't see breaking under Carroll.
What a mean spirited post. I never wish ill will on posters even if I disagree with them. You really need to take a step back and examine yourself. You're wishing bad luck on somebody just because they happen to have a different opinion on football than you. You should be ashamed.Flyingsquad23":32szfld7 said:Spin doctor is plain and simple just a hater. Not one single positive post in years. Hope he had a $h!t Christmas...lol
hawksincebirth":2a822h7m said:Can we just appreciate everyone’s opinion. We won the west let’s enjoy it like you positive patties say
hawksincebirth":1qy20m22 said:Ahhh the annual gloat posts by the kool aid drinkers gotta love em.
On a side note credit to Pete and ken Norton for turning the defense into an average defense instead of the dumpster fire it was the first half of the season. I still hope for a new coach. But Pete will keep us around 9-11 wins a year with first or second round exits and he’ll play out his contract imo. Can we just appreciate everyone’s opinion. We won the west let’s enjoy it like you positive patties say
rsRyno":gf0bycb1 said:pmedic920":gf0bycb1 said:
I’m not necessarily saying fire Pete, even though I think his asinine coaching and reluctance to change has cost us many, many times, but Bill O’Brien won 4 out of 6 division titles; that didn’t make him a good coach.
Spin Doctor":1hcrstgk said:We should have lost in Minnesota, and we lost in 2018 against the Cowboys, not a single win that season. Pete does not have what it takes to get us to another Super Bowl. What concerns me is not that we're losing, it is HOW we're losing. We keep making the same mistakes each loss, we keep losing the same way and not adjusting. I highly doubt Pete ever brings us another Super Bowl again, and I doubt he even gets us an NFC Championship game.pinksheets":1hcrstgk said:Wait, so your line is after we last made a SB we lost not last we won? Is just making the SB the goal or is winning one? Because it sounds like you're drawing an arbitrary line that suits this narrative.Spin Doctor":1hcrstgk said:We're below .500 since the 2015 season and our last Super Bowl run.pinksheets":1hcrstgk said:I believe we're .500 in the playoffs since winning the SB, which is quite good.
It's extremely difficult to make the playoffs a lot and also have a strong winning record in the playoffs because unless you win the SB, you're taking a loss.
Pete has still won a playoff game in each of their last 4 appearances. That's quite good, period. There's not someone who just constantly gets to Conference Championships out waiting in the wings because that's either Belichik or they don't exist.
Spin Doctor":3jieymum said:What a mean spirited post. I never wish ill will on posters even if I disagree with them. You really need to take a step back and examine yourself. You're wishing bad luck on somebody just because they happen to have a different opinion on football than you. You should be ashamed.Flyingsquad23":3jieymum said:Spin doctor is plain and simple just a hater. Not one single positive post in years. Hope he had a $h!t Christmas...lol