TwistedHusky":lbyhsjab said:
Nunya,
If you really don't know what 'PeteBall' is then you haven't been paying attention to this team for a while. I think the more likely answer is you know but are feigning ignorance to create your argument. There are enough references to PeteBall on here you can figure it out.
Sure, I have seen people say "Pete Ball", but there are about 50 different descriptions of what "Pete Ball" actually is, depending on who you ask. People seem to throw that term out there as if it was some failed unique game management style. In reality, "Pete Ball" is basically a tried and true approach to the game of football. Balance between run & pass. Be efficient in both the run & pass. Control the ball. Control the clock, especially when you have the lead. There is nothing that PC does that is any way unique or earth shattering.
On the other points you questioned?
Let's be clear. Yes all teams grow/build/improve. But Pete is an expert program builder. There is a difference.
He is adept at building and developing key contributors IN season. That means many things but primarily it means that the roster on Day 1 will significantly improve by end of season. It also means that lower level draft picks have a much higher % chance of being significant contributors than most teams usually realize at those levels. Both are exceptional, both are benefits that Pete brings, and not sure why or how you would pretend this is normal when it isn't.
Except it IS normal. Every team has undrafted players that have found success.
Sure it happens to all teams. But not with the degree and consistency Pete delivers. It is almost assured depth multiplier.
I think you would be surprised at how well some other coaches develop players. However, I do agree that PC seems to have regular success. Not all coaches will be as successful as PC has been, but his "talent" is not unique. Maybe rare, but not unique.
With Pete, you are going to be better at the end of the year in key areas that you were not great at in the earlier games. He also is going to find some unheralded player and turn him into an exceptional contributor yearly.
Not even sure what your argument would be, or how you are disputing that.
So basically, you are saying that PC is doing what is expected of an NFL coach? Continue to coach throughout the season? Teach players how to more efficiently play their position?
So what is my argument? Nothing. I'm not sure why you are going on about PC's skill at developing players. I never once contested that point. Yes, he is good in this area.
But, teams with high ranked rosters tend to do better in the playoffs. We should be doing better in the playoffs than we have since our SB loss when contrasted to how our roster would be ranked.
Don't even know what you are saying here. All it does is create more questions than answers: Ranked by who? How ranked? Ranked pre-season or post regular season? Based on individual stats or someone's opinion?
Please provide data that suggests high ranked rosters do better in the playoffs.
From my experience, teams with decent defenses, teams that have a decent and balance run/pass offence, and a sprinkling of decent Special Teams play....and are able to continue their decent play during the playoffs, are the teams that do better in the playoffs.
Pete's playoff success is fairly good. But not since the SB loss.
Reasonable expectations? What is reasonable for a team with a top 2 QB and fairly highly ranked roster?
A single divisional playoff win in the past half decade maybe?
Since the 2014 SB loss, there has been 5 seasons. One of those season, the Seahawks never even made it to the playoffs (2017).
2015 - Entered as the 6th seed with a 10-6 record. Beat the #3 seed (Minnesota) in the Wild Card round. Lost to the #1 team (Carolina) in the Divisional Round.
2016 - Entered as the #3 seed with a 10-5-1 record. Beat the #6 seed (Detroit in the Wild Card Round. Lost to the #2 seed (Atlanta) in the Divisional Round. This was the first season without Lynch and we struggled finding a replacement.
2018 - Entered as the #5 seed with a 10-6 record. Lost to the #4 seed (Dallas) in the Wild Card round. First season without the LOB.
2019 Entered as the #5 seed with an 11-5 record. Beat the # 4 seed (Philadelphia) in the Wild Card round. Lost to the #2 seed (Green Bay) in the Divisional round. Went 1-3 in the last 4 games of the regular season, mainly because of injuries. RB corp was so depleted that Lynch was brought out of retirement.
So it looks like we won against the teams we should have won against and lost to team we should have lost to (except the 2015 Vikings and the 2019 Eagles, who we beat even though they were seeded higher).
EDIT - Note: Since our SB win in 2014, no team seeded #3 or lower has made the SB.
As far as RW being the "top 2 QB", that is debatable, depending on what metric a person uses. Myself, I think it is silly to "rank" QB after a certain point. Sure, a person can point at stats and claim one QB is better than another just because they threw 1 more TD in the regular season, but the "line" is very thin.
A QB is either elite, or he is not. Just in the NFC during those seasons, there was Rodgers, Brees, Prescott, Ryan, Stafford, and a number of QBs with the potential of being "elite" if they were more consistent. It is a huge stretch to beleive a team should win more playoff games just because they have an "elite" QB. Those "elite" QBs are often playing against other "elite" QBs.
Some would say that Rodgers is a better QB than RW. When was the last time Rodgers won a SB? When was the last time he even won a Conference Title. Many will say that Marino was one of the best QBs. How many SB rings does he have?
While you can say that "we should be winning more playoffs games", history does not support your claim.