QB Controversy

[strohmin]

It's not a 1 for 1, but we should lean toward aggregate performance when evaluating quarterbacks.

We're emotional right now after a sexy W, but I don't see how this was a "leave no doubt" type of performance. It was nice, but this was a clear team win. K9 had his best game of the year and the defense showed up big against a hard offense to slow, especially since they have an automatic unstoppable short yardage play to convert with.

I see a lot of grit on the team. I like that Lock showed up when it counted. But I don't see how we can consider this a situation where the ball *cannot* go back to Geno considering he diced a better defense in Dallas for one of the best games a quarterback has had league wide in the NFL before he went out. Unfortunately, the defense did not do us the same favors that time around.

This conflates team success with quarterback success.

Lock did great. I'd take him at his salary over Geno at Geno's 2024 salary. But the job wasn't seized just yet.

I never said Lock was better than Geno. You are just assuming. All Im saying is Lock deserves to continue after he made the plays he needed to make to win and the team rallied around him. He was a hig part of saving Pete's ass. He needs to be rewarded to continue.

 

[Appyhawk]

Geno vs Lions - 75 Yard Game Winning TD Drive
Geno vs Bengals - 51 yard 1 minute drive, turnover on downs.
Geno vs Browns - 57 yard game winning TD Drive
Geno vs Commanders - 75 yard go-ahead TD Drive, followed by 50 yard game winning FG drive
Geno vs Rams - 40 yard go-ahead FG drive, FG missed.
Geno vs Dallas - 2 drops kill drive.

Drew Lock has has 3TDs and 2 INTs in his two games starting, with a third of his yards thrown coming on the last drive of the second game where he was bailed out masterfully by DK.

Outside of the absolutely beautiful ball to Njigba to win the game, that was a horrid drive for him as far as accuracy. He's got a big arm and that was an emotional post game.

There's no controversy except in the minds of "what have you done for me lately" crowd

You are conveniently forgetting that Geno is averaging about 2 turnovers per game.

 

[strohmin]

This has to be one of the more objectionable takes posted about that Dallas game. He was under pressure on over half of his dropbacks and still put up 4 TDs while getting the ball out markedly under the league average time.

He absolutely dealt against Dallas and got boned by a playcall that was *designed to leave Micah Parsons unblocked* with zero outlet should Dallas get held up out of the backfield.

I will say again, I will take Lock in 2024 for his cheaper salary over Geno in 2024 with a larger cap hit. But this is just a naked misattribution of fault for what actually happened in Dallas.

We are conflating team success with quarterback success once again.

Sure you can blame the team around him for sucking it up but I wouldnt mess with the chemistry from this win just to be loyal to a player you like.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Football for a bunch of times is a momentum game. You gotta go with the momentum right now and it’s Drew Lock. This shouldn’t even be a question. The team has got to feel some type of way with Lock right now.

 

[strohmin]

Listen I hate to be the bearer of bad news to you Lock fans but I hope you realize there is 0% chance Pete plays him over Geno once Geno gets to 100%. Trust me on this. I think Geno is better but I am saying this from my knowledge on Pete Carrol.

Yes I know this and it will end up costing the team

 

[Maelstrom787]

Football for a bunch of times is a momentum game. You gotta go with the momentum right now and it’s Drew Lock. This shouldn’t even be a question. The team has got to feel some type of way with Lock right now.

Momentum can die quickly. You don't want to be stuck with Josh Dobbs when the momentum ends.

This is fun as hell, but I'm going with the more proven guy who whipped his dong out on Dallas before getting hurt.

The controversy question should be handled in the offseason, ask me. But it depends on how the roster is feeling about it. I can't answer that one.

 

[Titus Pullo]

Football for a bunch of times is a momentum game. You gotta go with the momentum right now and it’s Drew Lock. This shouldn’t even be a question. The team has got to feel some type of way with Lock right now.

Remember that Grbac/Gannon fiasco?

 

[Appyhawk]

I think one of the coolest things about this game and the way we finished it is the Golden Tate was the flag raiser for tonight's game.
How cool is that?

 

[Maelstrom787]

Sure you can blame the team around him for sucking it up but I wouldnt mess with the chemistry from this win just to be loyal to a player you like.

The chemistry was on display on offense in Dallas.

I think we're drumming up a lot of invented chemistry and synergy because we're happy to have won. I could be wrong, but you certainly could be too.

If the dynamics locker room wise are that Geno has totally lost his support and that team wants Lock, then yeah, you roll with Lock. But on field, I think Geno as-is going to end up better than Lock 9 times out of 10 if you give them each more than a couple of games. Comes down to fundamental play.

This is not taking anything away from a big dick winning drive from Lock. I just don't think its a job-seizing moment *yet*.

 

[DarkVictory23]

If Lock doesn't play the rest of the season and Geno lays an egg in any of the remaining games...

Geno will be hated for removing us from playoff contention and Drew will be loved for this one game.

Everyone will be saying: If Lock played ......

Probably true, but people's perceptions are weird.

Based on the way people post here, you'd think Geno doesn't have any game winning drives (3, tied for 2nd in the league), is always generating negative plays (actually top 10 success rate per drop back), and is always taking sacks (he's taking sacks at a very league average percentage, despite the fact that the Seahawks give up the third most pressure in the NFL so far this year).

You know who's got as many or more GWDs, a similar or better success rate, and is taking sacks at a similar or less rate in the NFL right now? Literally only one other player (Jared Goff).

EDIT: Also, I saw someone mention they think Geno is averaging 2 turnovers per game, when in fact, in 12 games, he has thrown 9 INTs and fumbled 3 times. That's 1. 1 per game. People's perceptions are weird.

 

[Titus Pullo]

Lock is an unrestricted free agent next year and did enough to garner interest from other teams moving forward.

I am satisfied with that for now.

The best thing for Lock's future is to not be the one who loses one of the last three games.

 

[Cyrus12]

Looks like Pete said it's Geno next game if ready to go.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Momentum can die quickly. You don't want to be stuck with Josh Dobbs when the momentum ends.

This is fun as hell, but I'm going with the more proven guy who whipped his dong out on Dallas before getting hurt.

The controversy question should be handled in the offseason, ask me. But it depends on how the roster is feeling about it. I can't answer that one.

If that’s the case, ride the wave, until it dies.

What I’ve seen from Lock is (even if he’s a one read guy currently) is he gets the ball out quicker than Geno has.

That quicker throw game is benefiting the run game also. Geno, when he was playing, started to delay throws and sit in the pocket and was taking more sacks than he should have.

Lock is making the throws given to him and for that game winning drive, he had ice in his veins. That’s something Seattle needed badly most of this year.

Yes, the momentum can fizzle out but I think you ride that wave until it happens. Seattle doesn’t really have anything to lose and it’s been funner to watch with Lock the past two games and I’d to see what Lock can do until he can no longer do much.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Probably true, but people's perceptions are weird.

Based on the way people post here, you'd think Geno doesn't have any game winning drives (3, tied for 2nd in the league), is always generating negative plays (actually top 10 success rate per drop back), and is always taking sacks (he's taking sacks at a very league average percentage, despite the fact that the Seahawks give up the third most pressure in the NFL so far this year).

You know who's got as many or more GWDs, a similar or better success rate, and is taking sacks at a similar or less rate in the NFL right now? Literally only one other player (Jared Goff).

There is frighteningly little analysis remaining that isn't just nakedly emotional subjectivity.

On any topic. Quarterback, defense, or otherwise.

Hell, even on non-football topics these days. It's just who we've been trained to be.

 

[Maelstrom787]

If that’s the case, ride the wave, until it dies.

What I’ve seen from Lock is (even if he’s a one read guy currently) is he gets the ball out quicker than Geno has.

That quicker throw game is benefiting the run game also. Geno, when he was playing, started to delay throws and sit in the pocket and was taking more sacks than he should have.

Lock is making the throws given to him and for that game winning drive, he had ice in his veins. That’s something Seattle needed badly most of this year.

Yes, the momentum can fizzle out but I think you ride that wave until it happens. Seattle doesn’t really have anything to lose and it’s been funner to watch with Lock the past two games and I’d to see what Lock can do until he can no longer do much.

Seattle has a potential playoff berth to lose.

You (and most here, I'd wager) have nothing to lose as a fan who presumably is not enthused by the prospect of watching the Seahawks in the playoffs.

I saw more momentum offensively against Dallas, honestly. This is gross that I have to bring that up *now,* but it's true.

It just resulted in an L because they're a lot hotter and the Eagles are at their lowest... not to mention our respective defensive performances.

 

[Chapow]

It was a great game winning drive, and Lock deserves a lot of credit for that.

Before that drive Lock had 116 yards. It's fairly astonishing that they were even in a position to win it when your QB only throws for 116 yards in the first 58 minutes of a game in today's NFL.

If anything had gone differently on that last drive, we're talking about a very underwhelming performance by Lock instead of a QB controversy.

 

[strohmin]

The chemistry was on display on offense in Dallas.

I think we're drumming up a lot of invented chemistry and synergy because we're happy to have won. I could be wrong, but you certainly could be too.

If the dynamics locker room wise are that Geno has totally lost his support and that team wants Lock, then yeah, you roll with Lock. But on field, I think Geno as-is going to end up better than Lock 9 times out of 10 if you give them each more than a couple of games. Comes down to fundamental play.

This is not taking anything away from a big dick winning drive from Lock. I just don't think its a job-seizing moment *yet*.

If Geno is 100% healthy and everyone in the locker room wants Geno back then sure put him back in. However, if they do decide to put Geno back in next week without reading the vibe of the locker room, then I dont see them playing as inspired.

 

[keasley45]

I want Lock to be the QBOTF as much as anyone. He's a Hawk, 1. Hes younger than Geno, and he has more natural talent.

But he HAS to stop throwing off his back foot and off platform. It's a huge problem of his and although it didn't bite him in this game, it will. That's not doomsaying. It's just fact.

That, and he HAS to learn to step up in the pocket. He has a bad habit of fading back under pressure and slinging the ball.

But the dude has some arm talent, that's for sure.

 

[rjdriver]

I'm going with Lock..

BUT HERE'S WHY..

It is purely a business decision. I do think Geno gives us a slight statistical advantage to win a game. That said, we simply can't pay Geno what his contract demands going forward. He's just not next level.

I believe contractually he can't be injured when we release him lest much more of his monies are guaranteed. I'm not positive of that, but I know I read it somewhere (prolly on .NET).

If I'm wrong, then I don't really care who is QB when we end the year in three weeks or who is under center what we get the shit kicked out of us in the wild card round.

 

[Mizak]

I think they should start Lock but if he makes questionable decisions against the Titans like he did against the 9ers, then Geno should come in and get his job back.