Being a longtime lurker, reading this forum sometimes feels like reading a political discussion where one side refuses to read or attempt to understand what opposing view points are saying. Maelstrom has been clear from the beginning that he's saying Geno is not playing AS BAD as people say he is, and is actually playing pretty decent and has actual points and referenced situations that reflect that, and yet he's being replied to like he's saying that Geno is going to save the season.
Drops have been prevalent, penalties in the last game were horrible. Fewer drops and penalties would have significantly changed the stat line.
That said, I don't want to see Geno starting, would much rather roll with Lock. Just saying Maelstrom isn't wrong. Geno hasn't been as bad as it looks.
Everyone here, with a few exceptions, is rooting for the same team. Why do people have such visceral my side/your side takes?
A voice of reason. Welcome to the thunderdome.
When the group on one side of an issue is willing to entertain facts and adjust perception of a situation based on real-time, current data and the other is entirely inflexible in their belief and sees the future as being set... that's when two people or opposing groups throw up there hands and say 'there's nothing here to discuss'.
And that's the nonsensical dance that plays out in these 'discussion' forums.
The issue here is that for some, no matter what good Pete, or Geno do, it won't move the needle at all. Any mistake or misstep is amplified. Any success, couched as luck.
If Geno sets the franchise record for consecutive completed passes, it's dismissed because it was done against the Jags. Yet the fact that, for example, that the Jags D didn't rank a whole lot better than several of the pass defenses we played during Russ's hot streak early in his 'cooking' year, or that our starting QBs for the last, what X + years have had an opportunity to set that record against equally bad teams when they've played them and didnt... those realities are lost on them.
Or... when the argument is presented that Geno is playing well, it's countered with accusations that folks are blindly defending him and that hes actually playing horribly. So stats come out showing that Geno is in fact, playing as well as any QB in the preseason (even without TDs). And of course, the standard response from the other side is that it's just the preseason.
There's no tangible discussion around his skill or performance, unless you count mischaracterizing a PA trip of Lockett against the Rams that resulted in an interception of a perfectly thrown pass as Geno's error. Or shouldering Geno with the fault for getting sacked for the 6th time against the Steelers and losing the ball in a comeback bid ( same folks would blame an error like that on the OLine had it happened to Russ). Or...
For some it doesn't matter what's presented for DISCUSSION in this forum. What trumps discourse is a flat statement of (and myopic view of) ones opinion. And when that's the beginning and end of a person's willingness to engage in conversation on a subject... there's no conversation, no discussion, and no discussion board.
Having an opinion is fine. And not caring to move from it is fine. But if that's the choice a person is going to make, then it's idiotic to debate someone entertaining new data and facts and then accuse the other person or group of being inflexible, or 'blind' , because they choose not to be stuck in a view of a player that was set in a context wholly different than current reality.
Keep your opinion. State it. But it's not possible to DISCUSS a position that is inflexible and biased by personal feelings.
I didnt think much of Geno when he was with the Jets because I didn't see what the hoolplah was around him. His performance didn't change that.
I also wanst crazy about him when we signed him.
But the fact is, his passer rating, td rating, and completion percentage, coming off the bench, cold after not starting in years was head and shoulder above anything he posted prior.
And his performance this year in the preseason, without drops, has been good enough to be tops in the league. Neither his stats last year or so far in the preseason guarantee he'll be good enough to carry the team to the playoffs. But they also don't point to the player he was before he came here. So what he will be is unknown, but is promising in that he just might be able to do enough to make us competitive.
And that thought is somehow threatening / frustrating / aggevating to some.