How would you grade the Seahawks 2015 draft?

[onanygivensunday]

The OL still bothers me, mainly because we didn't seem to draft anyone to play their natural position. It seems we drafted a tackle to play guard so an existing guard can move to tackle and guard to play center and another DL to try and make the jump to guard?

Think about it this way... Pete and Cable (and the other NFL coaches on the team) watch a player on tape and they see traits/qualities that tell them that the player was playing out of position in college.

Who do you trust more... a college head coach or Pete Carroll, Tom Cable and rest of the Hawks coaching staff?

I'll take the latter.

 

[Hawkfan77]

Once again players are good and obviously guys they like. Once again I think they completely mismanaged draft capital.

C+

Why do you think they mismanaged draft capital?

 

[Natethegreat]

Once again players are good and obviously guys they like. Once again I think they completely mismanaged draft capital.

C+

Why do you think they mismanaged draft capital?

JS and Pete are obviously willing to pick guys 1, 2, or even 3 rounds earlier than most to ensure they get the guy they want. That seems to be their philosophy. They aren't concerned so much with value as getting the guys they target.
Sometimes its a home run and sometimes its a major reach.
Personally I find it disappointing at times but they have shown an ability to find that gem with their philosophy.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Don't believe in grading drafts until the players actually see the field for a season or two.. but I will say I feel really good about this class. Only pick I am indifferent on is Poole. But aside from that.. very solid draft IMO

 

[Natethegreat]

Don't believe in grading drafts until the players actually see the field for a season or two.. but I will say I feel really good about this class. Only pick I am indifferent on is Poole. But aside from that.. very solid draft IMO

Agreed, I like this draft far better than last year which just left me with a blah feeling.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Once again players are good and obviously guys they like. Once again I think they completely mismanaged draft capital.

C+

Why do you think they mismanaged draft capital?

JS and Pete are obviously willing to pick guys 1, 2, or even 3 rounds earlier than most to ensure they get the guy they want. That seems to be their philosophy. They aren't concerned so much with value as getting the guys they target.
Sometimes its a home run and sometimes its a major reach.
Personally I find it disappointing at times but they have shown an ability to find that gem with their philosophy.

The confusing part is that you think they aren't concerned about "value." But whose standard of value are you interested in? Yours? The media's? Some general "sense" of value?

For instance, the picks given up for Lockett were fair according to the draft board trade value chart. Why not believe that is appropriate value?

What you haven't yet done is accepted PC/JS's value of playes as your own. Nobody says you have to, but it seems a bit wrong-headed to suggest the Hawks FO don't operate off of value.

And for that matter, are you arguing that it would be a better value to have more picks, but not get the guys that fit our system or what PC wants to actually coach and play with?

I seriously don't understand and wish you could explain your thinking here.

 

[Ad Hawk]

And Nate, the one thing you cannot say, is that you know they'd be available later in the draft. That argument is a fallacy, and thus any argument based on it will be fallacious.

 

[kf3339]

I gave the draft a B grade, but didn't factor in the Graham trade. Our first two picks I absolutely loved in Clark and Lockette! Just those two players would have easily made the difference in the Super Bowl if you ask me.

The three O-Line guys look promising and as stated if we get two strong starters it is a real win in my book! The other players are good depth and developmental prospects. Nothing wrong with that.

Overall if I was including the trade it would be an A for me which I hope to say again in a few years after a few more Super Bowl wins!

 

[mikeak]

Once again players are good and obviously guys they like. Once again I think they completely mismanaged draft capital.

C+

Why do you think they mismanaged draft capital?

JS and Pete are obviously willing to pick guys 1, 2, or even 3 rounds earlier than most to ensure they get the guy they want. That seems to be their philosophy. They aren't concerned so much with value as getting the guys they target.
Sometimes its a home run and sometimes its a major reach.
Personally I find it disappointing at times but they have shown an ability to find that gem with their philosophy.

Michael Bennet (not ours but the one drafted by Jacksonville) was supposed to go in round 2.

He went in round 6!!!!!

Point being pundits grade based on their own player rankings which are off. Not because they are bad but because there are hundreds of way to look at these players and get a list compiled. 32 teams pick. Media expert say it is a reach but in reality we don't know if he was next on the board for the team behind us or not on anyone's list for another two rounds.

I think this belief that I have been reading here the last few days is based on flawed information so the wrong conclusion is drawn.

They gambled with RW so what makes people think they dnot gamble all the time

JS said they got 2/3 after day 2. I think that is why they moved up and paid the price for Lockett. You can gamble but when you lose a guy you truly believe in then you really can't afford to lose a second one.....

If we get a return guy (who I think will be a great WR - love his moves), a pass rusher and one or two offensive lines guy then this draft was a home run.

 

[Seafan]

Knowing that JS likes to maximize value I fully expected an edge rusher with their first pick. They may have gotten the best one in the draft. Time will tell. They also got incredible value for the #69 pick with Lockett and filled a HUGE need at the same time. They got great value with Glowinski and Smith as well. Nobody knows what they have with Poole, Sokoli or Gwacham but the potential of those three is there. Murphy is going to come in and compete and there are a lot of athletes on the roster at his position. Too early to grade this draft but this draft excites me like an A.

 

[Tical21]

I always give it a B. Don't understand it, the pieces don't fit where I think they should, I like a couple players, have a couple question marks, and it always works out pretty well.

I like the corner. I like the second O-lineman they took. I know they needed a return man but still think we could make it so much easier on ourselves if we had an outside receiver to stretch the field with.

I don't see the Clark thing. The tape I have seen looks pretty average.

 

[Natethegreat]

There are many teams that go with the best player available philosophy. Ravens being the first team off the top of my head and it works for them.
Seahawks obviously do not do that. They have guys they target and lock onto in certain areas of the draft that they think will succeed with our team. I wasn't saying they are wrong just that they aren't concerned about getting best value but rather getting their guys.
They do tend to get guys most would not consider that early not sure why this ruffles so many feathers around here to acknowledge this but like I said it has worked out great with a lot of the guys they have gotten to be sure. They have also reached on a lot of guys as well.

 

[Hawkfan77]

There are many teams that go with the best player available philosophy. Ravens being the first team off the top of my head and it works for them.
Seahawks obviously do not do that. They have guys they target and lock onto in certain areas of the draft that they think will succeed with our team. I wasn't saying they are wrong just that they aren't concerned about getting best value but rather getting their guys.
They do tend to get guys most would not consider that early not sure why this ruffles so many feathers around here to acknowledge this but like I said it has worked out great with a lot of the guys they have gotten to be sure. They have also reached on a lot of guys as well.

Here's the thing, you don't know their board so how can you say they reach for players or taking the best player available isn't their strategy?

 

[Ad Hawk]

There are many teams that go with the best player available philosophy. Ravens being the first team off the top of my head and it works for them.
Seahawks obviously do not do that. They have guys they target and lock onto in certain areas of the draft that they think will succeed with our team. I wasn't saying they are wrong just that they aren't concerned about getting best value but rather getting their guys.
They do tend to get guys most would not consider that early not sure why this ruffles so many feathers around here to acknowledge this but like I said it has worked out great with a lot of the guys they have gotten to be sure. They have also reached on a lot of guys as well.

Here's the thing, you don't know their board so how can you say they reach for players or taking the best player available isn't their strategy?

This is exactly my point. "Best player available" is also subjective in many ways.

 

[Smellyman]

I think having a squirrelly WR will work well with a rabbit QB .

Ha. awesome quote

 

[rideaducati]

:thirishdrinkers:

Once again players are good and obviously guys they like. Once again I think they completely mismanaged draft capital.

C+

Why do you think they mismanaged draft capital?

He has a staff that watches every snap of every player and he knows what Pete Carroll and John Schneider need more than Pete Carroll and John Schneider do. He also has access to every draft board in the NFL so he knows when and where to draft every player. He has interviewed every player that is eligible to draft. His staff has talked to every coach and teacher that the player has ever had to determine his character like Pete and his staff has. He's just better at everything than Pete and his staff. He was Paul Allen's first choice to hire, but Paul Allen couldn't afford him. He can also win the lottery jackpot any time he wants.

I am his PR rep and I do it for free because he is the only perfect man in the World.

 

[Chawker]

I give them the same grade every year, C As in we'll see.

 

[CPHawk]

What I know for a fact, last year we lost at KC because they had solid punt and kick returns, and we didn't. We lost the SB in part to having zero kick and punt return game. Lockete is the type of WR/return guy we have needed.

 

[DavidSeven]

I give it an average grade.

I like the players we grabbed well enough, but I'm not thrilled with the Return On Investment. We came in with 11 picks, most of them in the middle rounds -- that's a ton of draft capital. Could we have still gotten Clark and Lockett and kept maybe an additional 4th, if not more? I guess no one really knows, but it was a lot to give up, so that's why I can't give this draft a perfect grade.

I like Lockett well enough, but I worry that the team truly sees him as a return specialist. As a receiver, his skillset is a tiny bit redundant. He will excel the most with a two-way-go, so he needs reps out of the slot. Problem is, Baldwin is already a premiere slot player, and Jimmy Graham is going to take reps there too. I don't see a lot of room for Lockett initially. The thing I loved about Richardson is that he gave us a new element (speed) in an area where we were lacking talent (outside receiver).

Despite all the controversy, Clark seems like a pretty safe pick. I actually think his ceiling is pretty low. I watch him, and I don't see a double-digit sack guy -- I see a TFL machine. I think he'll be great against the run, collapse the pocket a bit, but I don't see Robert Quinn. I see a 5T version of Brandon Mebane (which ain't bad at all). His stoutness should make him viable as a Day-1 contributor.

I was probably more fired up about last year's draft -- came away really excited about Richardson, KPL, Marsh, Norwood. Was happy to see that they filled an immediate need at RT. Killed it in UDFA with Coyle and Jeffcoat. Even Keiro Small was a pretty interesting pick up.

 

[Sac]

:thirishdrinkers:

Once again players are good and obviously guys they like. Once again I think they completely mismanaged draft capital.

C+

Why do you think they mismanaged draft capital?

He has a staff that watches every snap of every player and he knows what Pete Carroll and John Schneider need more than Pete Carroll and John Schneider do. He also has access to every draft board in the NFL so he knows when and where to draft every player. He has interviewed every player that is eligible to draft. His staff has talked to every coach and teacher that the player has ever had to determine his character like Pete and his staff has. He's just better at everything than Pete and his staff. He was Paul Allen's first choice to hire, but Paul Allen couldn't afford him. He can also win the lottery jackpot any time he wants.

I am his PR rep and I do it for free because he is the only perfect man in the World.

LOL